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To the folks participating in the Bundesliga prediction game, here’s a reminder and a little about the rules:

Kickoff is tonight, make sure you have submitted your first predictions as well as the bonus questions until then. You won’t be able to answer the bonus questions after kickoff tonight, so get that ready until then. The prediction game will span the whole season, so make sure to get your predictions in before each matchday. You can submit your prediction for a game until its kickoff, afterwards it’s too late and you will have missed the opportunity to get points on that game.
If anyone wants to join, here’s the link again:
https://www.kicktipp.de/reddit-socce
Participation is great so far, we must be close to 100 participants by now. However, there’s still room for another 200, so come and join if you’re interested. It’ll be a great season and the prediction game will make it even more interesting. To those still thinking about joining: yes, you can switch the language settings: click on the “DE” in the lower left hand corner. There you should be able to switch into every available language.
Now, about the rules: I have decided do abandon the classic 9-point rule. That rule would’ve been as follows: predict the right tendency, and you get 2 points, get the goal difference right and you get three points. The correct result would earn you for points. I have decided to drop this rule, as it’s fairly easy to earn points through generally likely results, and that’s boring.
Instead, I have decided to adopt the quotient rule. The quotient rule also respects tendency, goal difference and correct results, but that’s not all. Instead, it’ll also take into account the team quality and team form, so that predicting a good result of an underdog and winning pays more than going with the favourites. So...higher risk, higher payout. You’ll be able to win a minimum of four points, and a maximum of 10 points, depending on the game. In order to give you a feel for each games’ circumstances, kicktipp will show you the betting odds from the betting portal bwin, just to give you an idea of what to expect from the teams. I feel like this rule appreciates daring predictions more than the classic rule.
I’m really looking forward to this and I’m very happy about the attention this has been getting so far. Best of luck to all participants :)
Edit: I just counted, we are at exactly 100 participants right now. That’s incredible, I’ve never had such a huge session. However, there’s still room for 200 more ;)
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Guide to 2019 K League

Guide to 2019 K League

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Welcome to what I think is the first ever reddit guide to the K League, Korea's top flight. The new K League 1 season kicks off 1st March with last season's champions Jeonbuk against FA Cup winners Daegu. (1st is a Friday, but it's a national holiday.)
To whet your appetite, here's a best goals of the season video, and because this montage missed out one of my favourite goals of the season, here's the most entertaining team in last season's relegation battle, Incheon United's top 5 goals of last season.

Table of contents

  1. 2018 season recap & 2019 club guide
    1. K League 1 club guide
    2. K League 2 clubs
    3. Winter transfer window activity
  2. History of club football in Korea & establishment of the K League
  3. Football pyramid & League format
    1. K League 1
    2. International context
  4. Resources
    1. Websites & podcasts
    2. Highlights & watching live

2018 season recap & 2019 club guide

Here's how the K League 1 table looked at the end of 2018:
# Team P W-D-L GF GA GD Pts Notes
1 Jeonbuk Hyundai Motors 38 26-8-4 75 44 31 86 CL group stage
2 Gyeongnam FC 38 18-11-9 59 44 15 65 CL group stage
3 Ulsan Hyundai 38 17-12-9 61 46 15 63 CL playoffs
4 Pohang Steelers 38 15-9-14 48 49 -1 54
5 Jeju United 38 14-12-12 42 42 0 54
6 Suwon Samsung Bluewings 38 13-11-14 53 54 -1 50
7 Daegu FC 38 14-8-16 47 56 -9 50 CL group stage - FA cup winners
8 Gangwon FC 38 12-10-16 56 60 -4 46
9 Incheon United 38 10-12-16 55 69 -14 42
10 Sangju Sangmu 38 10-10-18 41 52 -11 40
11 FC Seoul 38 9-13-16 40 48 -8 40 Relegation playoff with K League 2
12 Jeonnam Dragons 38 8-8-22 43 69 -26 32 Relegated to K League 2
• FC Seoul won their playoff against K League 2's Busan IPark • Seongnam FC were promoted from K League 2 • Ulsan won their Champions League playoff and are in the group stages
It's impossible to write a concise summary of the 2018 season - you can get some of the details from the club guide below - but one of the most interesting stories actually comes from K League 2.
For context, you need to understand a bit about military service for footballers. Rather than take 2 years out of their career to serve in the military or do some kind of e.g. 'desk job' service, players can join one of two military football teams that play in the K League. In K League 1 there is Sangju Sangmu, and in K League 2 there is Asan Mugunghwa. Every player in these two teams is on loan for two years from another club in the K League. Sangju Sangu is affiliated with the 'normal' military, whilst Asan Mugunghwa is affiliated with the Police (serving in the auxilliary police force is another way to do your service).
The Korean government recently decided to abolish the auxilliary police force by 2023. The Police however decided to already wind down their sports teams, putting an immediate halt on recruiting players and disbanding the teams in 2019.
Now, the champions of K League 2 last season were... Asan Mugunghwa. They were in line for direct promotion to K League 1. To compete in the K League, you need to have at least 20 players, but by the time the next season started, Asan would only have 14 players, as the loan deals ran out. The League gave Asan a deadline in November to submit a recruitment plan, which they failed to do, and so the promotion spot passed to second-placed Seongnam FC. Although that deadline and hence promotion was missed, Asan have how submitted a recruitment plan that would see their 14 serving players be supplemented by new signings that indicates the club will transition to an city-owned club with the help of the Asan government.
Funnily (or depressingly), this is not the first time "Police FC" won K League 2 and missed out on promotion - in 2016 Ansan Mugunghwa were crowned champions, but at the end of that year moved from Ansan to Asan. In line with the League's policies, they were registered as a brand new club.

K League 1 club guide

Clubs can have up to three foreign players in their squad, plus an extra one from another AFC nation. Although rare, a player with North Korea citizenship is not considered foreign. Most of those foreign places are taken by Brazilians, or players from the former Yugoslavia (e.g. K League veteran Dejan Damjanovic). The exception to the foreigner rule is the goalkeeper - Korean goalkeepers in the 90s were just so bad that a block on recruiting foreign goalies was put in place to help encourage development of domestic talent. It seems to have worked, with Korean goalkeepers often being signed abroad (in Asia at least).
There is also a requirement to have U23 players fielded and on the bench, with a failure to meet this impacting the number of substitutes that can be made (Article 30 of the league 'rules').
You'll notice some of the clubs have a Korean chaebol in their team name, and even if it's not in the name, they may still be owned by a corporation behind the scenes. This sounds very odd if you're not familiar with it, but it is extremely common in Japan, China, and Korea. It may just be a symptom of some of the teams being relatively recently-founded, and perhaps isn't that unusual these days (think Red Bull, City group, majority shareholders in the West). However, the number of "Citizen" clubs, owned by the local city or provincial government, is on the rise - Gyeongnam FC is one example.
A lot of clubs probably like to think they have a derby with FC Seoul (because, well, it's Seoul) but the biggest, and probably considered the national derby, is the "Super Match" (슈퍼매치…) between FC Seoul and Suwon Samsung Bluewings. Montenegrin Damjanovic, known simply as 'Dejan', formerly of Seoul and now playing for Suwon, is the top scorer in this fixture.
Here's the clubs, by last season's standing, and since crests are a bit unstable on reddit at the moment, here's an imgur album of all club crests and corresponding home kits for the 2019 season:

Jeonbuk Hyundai Motors

Jeonbuk are the dominant team in Korea, and one the of the teams you don't want to face in the Champions League whoever you are. They've now won 4 out of the last 5 K league 1 titles, and a most recent Champions League title in 2016.
Their rise to power over the last decade+ has been overseen by long term manager Choi Kang-hee. Choi left at the end of last season to Tianjin Quanjin/Tianhai Daliang Yifang FC in China. Korea seems to have a thing for Portuguese managers these days, and his replacement is one José Morais. Morais was assistant manager to José Mourinho for a period, but as manager proper he's been a bit shit. He was at two clubs in 2018, which included ushering Barnsley into relegation to English League One. How Jeonbuk will fare after Choi remains to be seen.
Although Jeonbuk cruised to the League title, it would be difficult to call their season an outright success due to a horrendous 15 mins at the end of the second half in a home match against Suwon in the Champions League quarter-final. They turned the 3 goal deficit around in the seond leg when they travelled to Suwon, but went out on penalties.

Gyeongnam FC

Gyeongnam were only promoted from K League 2 the previous season, so coming second in K League 1 is something special. Top scorer in the league Marcão, played his part with 26 goals.
Gyeongnam will now feature in the Champions League for the first time. I thought that seems to have put the brakes on too many of their players departing, but captain Choi Young-jun signed for Jeonbuk in the winter transfer window. A major loss is Marcão who was also top scorer in K League 2 in the year they were promoted, who appears to have followed the money to China. Also off to China is key centre-back Park Ji-soo. So basically the backbone of the team from defence to attack has left…

Ulsan Hyundai

Known as the Horang-i (호랑이) - the Tigers - Ulsan have had intermittent success in Asia, winning the Champions League for the first and only time in 2012 in an unbeaten run.
Towards the end of the 2018 season, Ulsan were battling Gyeongnam for the second spot, which brings with it direct qualification to the Champions League group stages rather than having a play-off. They lost out, but were widely expected to secure a direct qualification spot anyway when they faced Daegu FC in the FA Cup final. Ultimately they finished the season on a low, losing 5-1 on aggregate to Daegu in the final.

Pohang Steelers

One of the few clubs that predates the formation of the K League, Pohang are another of the historical Korean powerhouses. They hold the record for the most number of Champions League title (3), but their last title came in 2009.
Finishing fourth in the league, they were hoping that Ulsan would beat Daegu in the FA Cup final to pass their Champions League spot on down, but it didn't happen.

Jeju United

One of the original members of the K League, founded as the Yukong Elephants in the Seoul area. As part of the decentralisation program, they moved to Bucheon (kind of) and were renamed as Bucheon SK. The decision to move to Jeju in 2006 was an abrupt one, and understandably deeply unpopular with the fans. Teams uprooting and moving elsewhere is a bit of a catalyst for the creation of new teams in Korea, and the fans formed Bucheon FC 1995 in the absence of Bucheon SK.
The reason given for the relocation was to the address the imbalance in football teams being located around Seoul/Gyeonggi-do, and Jeju did not have a pro team at the time, but there are suggestions the owners SK group wanted to cut their investment and recoup some costs.
There were recent rumours that Jeju would move yet again, back north to Yongin, but who knows.
Jeju had a pretty mediocre season, what more can I say.

Suwon Samsung Bluewings

Suwon's 2018 season was a bit bonkers, and especially so in their Champions League run.
In their Champions League group, in which they were drawn with eventual winners Kashima Antlers, Suwon did not manage a single home win. However they had managed to get two away wins, and going into the final match, they still had their fate in their own hands if they could win against group leaders Kashima in Japan. They won 1-0, getting three away wins and topping the group.
Manager Seo Jung-won, at a time when Suwon were 4th in the League, resigned the day before the first leg of their Champions League quarter-final clash with Jeonbuk, due to fan protests. Jeonbuk were apparently completely bamboozled by this event, and took a 3-0 beating at home. Then in the return leg in Suwon, Jeonbuk fought back to win 3-0, but Suwon were able to scrape through on penalties to face Kashima Antlers yet again in the semis.
In the semi-final fixture, Suwon went 2-0 up against Kashima Antlers inside the first 10 minutes, but went on to lose 3-2 in the first leg. Soon after, manager Seo returned as suddenly as he had departed, having been gone for just 6 weeks. In the second leg, Suwon went a goal down in the first half, but came back with 3 in the second half to be on their way to the final after 60 mins played. However, Kashima Antlers fought back to get two more goals and win 6-5 on aggregate, and would go on to win the final. If you want to relive a part of that rollercoaster night, here you go, and here's an idea of the atmosphere that night.
At one point, it looked like they might qualify for the Champions League again for the 2019 season, but Suwon didn't win any of their final five league matches and dropped to 6th.
Manager Seo left again at the end of the season and will manage Japan's Sagan Tosu. Recently, captain Kim Eun-sun was released from the club for drink-driving. The drama just never ends.

Daegu FC

Prior to the World Cup, Daegu were languishing at the bottom of the table, but after the return they found some kind of consistent form, helped out by World Cup hero goalkeeper Jo Hyeon-woo. They really peaked at the right time, as Daegu made it to the FA Cup final, and against the odds defeated Ulsan Hyundai 5-1 on aggregate, meaning for the first time they will feature in the Champions League. This is no mean feat for team whose best ever finish in the top flight is 7th place. If they carry over their momentum into the 2019 season the year could be one of their most successful ever. They will also be playing in a new football-specific stadium this year.

Gangwon FC

Gangwon are a fairly mid-bottom team, I don't really know what to say about them. They did have the 2nd-highest top scorer in the 2018 season though, Bosnian Uros Deric. They also had the worst colour scheme in the league last season, their kit is slightly improved this season.

Incheon United

I always like to imagine that Incheon chose their strip so that they could be the Inter to FC Seoul's AC Milan. They even have a nickname "Nerazzurri" (another nickname is the Durumi - 두루미 - the cranes).
Incheon spent most of the 2018 season at the very bottom of table, and had the joint-leakiest defence in the league. They brought in Norwegian manager Jørn Andersen midway through the season to turn their fortunes around, but even after that they were on the wrong end or the biggest thrashing of the season, 7-0 against Gangwon. Coming into the end of the season though, they were playing really nice attacking football, even if they didn't always get the result. At 'the split' they were still bottom, but won 4 out of 5 games to pull themselves up 3 places.
It was in attack that Incheon shone. Montenegrin Stefan Mugosa was their top scorer in his debut season. Moon Seon-min, with the best goal celebration in the league, also put in a strong performance, but has now signed for champions Jeonbuk. Nam Jun-jae returned in the summer to score some bangers. Costa Rican international Aguilar was also impressive, but has signed for Jeju in the new season.

Sangju Sangmu

The "military team" where other K League players get loaned to to complete their military service. Their history goes far back in one sense, as various military teams were playing way back to the 50s, but they were founded for pro footballers to serve their time only in 1984. Although they were for pro players, they competed in the semi-pro National League until 2003 when they joined the K League, based in Gwangju. When Gwangju FC were formed, they moved to Sangju.
Sangju Sangmu do not have any foreign players for obvious reasons, and cannot compete in the Champions League, although the chances of ever finishing in a qualifying spot are fairly slim.

FC Seoul

FC Seoul. Wow. What happened? Having won the league in 2016 (albeit somewhat fortuitously), and always finishing in the top half if not competing for the title in the past decade, nobody expected Seoul to be fighting against relegation. Although relatively solid defensively, they scored the least number of goals in the league season of all teams. Their star foreign players almost all left before the season started (including Dejan to rivals Suwon) and were not replaced with the same quality, and for many matches Seoul played with an all-Korean team. One bit of good news for the future is that former captain Osmar will return from his loan to Cezero Osaka for the new season.
Seoul at least managed to avoid relegation by beating Busan IPark over two legs in the play-off, helped by a red card in the first leg. Surprisingly they managed to score 3 goals in the first leg in open play.
Seoul is probably the most popular club in Korea, I'm sure helped by the fact that it is the main club in a city of 10 million people - Seoul generally has the highest game attendances (although it was much reduced last season because they were so crap).
Starting out as Lucky-Goldstar (i.e. LG) FC in Chungcheong province, the team was permitted to relocate to Seoul at the start of the 90s, and were renamed as LG Cheetahs. During the decentralisation period, they moved to Anyang, modifying their name to Anyang LG Cheetahs. After the World Cup, the team successfully negotiated a move back to Seoul and did away with their "cheetahs" moniker, taking their current name FC Seoul. Their founding and "re-birth" years are both on their badge - 1983 and 2004.

Seongnam FC

Gaining direct promotion due to Asan Mugunghwa's situation, Seongnam is actually the most decorated team in Korea.
Founded in 1989 in Seoul as Ilhwa Chunma, they were forced out of Seoul and settled in Cheonnan for a period. In 2000 they moved to Seongnam, a satellite city of Seoul and appended the city name to the name of the club. Seongnam's title drought started when the head of the owner company that backed Seongnam died in 2012, and the board were keen to let go of the club. Seongnam city government took over ownership of the club for the 2014 season, and they were renamed Seongnam FC. Seongnam are now back in K League 1 after a 2 year absence.

K League 2 clubs

By last season's standings:

Jeonnam Dragons

Jeonbuk's Jeolla province rivals, they finished the previous season on an awful losing streak and were relegated for the first time.

Asan Mugunghwa

"Police FC", they missed promotion despite winning K League 2, and will probably lose their police affiliation by next year.

Busan IPark

One of the founding members of the K League and another that effectively predates the K League, Busan were beaten by K League 1 opposition in the pro/rel play-off for the second year in a row. They were the first Korean team to win the Asian continental title in the 80s.

Daejeon Citizen

One of the first community/city-owned clubs in Korea.

Gwangju FC

Relegated in the 2017 season. Despite finishing 5th in 2018, they still got to participate in the play-offs due to Asan Mugunghwa's situation.

FC Anyang

Founded in 2013, finally filling the void left by the departure of FC Seoul from the city.

Suwon FC

The other Suwon team, they featured in K League 1 briefly in 2016.

Bucheon FC 1995

Formed after the departure of Jeju United from the city. Formed in 2007, 1995 refers to the year of the organising of the Yukong Elephant fan club. Including 1995 in the name is meant to show it's a club for the fans or something.
Bucheon FC 1995 are also one half of the '032 derby' with Incheon United because they share the same area code, 032.

Ansan Greeners FC

Formed only in 2017, they've had two 9th-position finishes.

Seoul E-Land FC

The other Seoul team, their debut season was in 2015. They didn't do very well last season, although it was very tight at the bottom of the table.

Winter transfer window activity

From a monetary point of view, Korea is the biggest net exporter of players in Asia in the transfer market. This winter window was no different, with what I would say were the two biggest stories involving young homegrown Korean talent going abroad.
The first is that of Jeonbuk and national team star centre-back, Kim Min-jae, nicknamed "the monster". There were rumours of an offer from English side Watford, but it wasn't clear if there ever was any offer or negotiations - Kim himself said he did not know of any interest from Watford. It doesn't really matter now - Kim signed with Chinese side Beijing Sinobo Guoan and will see Champions League football with them in the new season, being drawn in the same group as Jeonbuk.
The second is Hwang In-beom, who has signed for MLS side Vancouver Whitecaps. Hwang In-beom played in K League 2 last season with Asan Mugunghwa and Daejeon Citizen, but has impressed as a midfield playmaker and is currently seen as a replacement for Ki Sung-yueng in the national team.
For a recognisable name for western readers, the best I have is Englishman Jordon Mutch who signed for Gyeongnam from Crystal Palace, resulting in this awkward photo op. (Another recognisable name is Mix Diskerud on loan to Ulsan from Man City, but he joined the previous year).
K League 1's top scorer Marcão left Gyeongnam for Hebei China Fortune, and his replacement is Luc Castaignos signed from Sporting CP. His stats in Europe haven't been great in recent years, but he may fare better in Korea.
There were of course a few hundred domestic internal transfers and number of other foreign player signings - if you want the full list, K League United's winter transfer tracker has it all.

History of club football in Korea & establishment of the K League

Association football was first introduced to Korea in 1882 when British Royal Navy crew harboured at Incheon played a game. It wasn't until the 1900s that football began to take hold, and the first public match was played in 1905. There was a boom in in the 1910s with a number of football clubs being formed, and rivalries began to form between clubs in Seoul and Pyongyang.
The first nationwide competition was the All Joseon Football Tournament (Joseon being the name for Korea at the time), founded in 1921. There wasn't actually a champion crowned in 1921, as the tournament was cut short due to complaints over refereeing decisions. All this was taking place during Japanese occupation of Korea during most of the first half of the 20th century.
According to the KFA, "football was the only tonic that could relieve the the national resentment that had accumlated in the hearts as a colony under the Japanese empire, and was a sprout that could foster the hope of freedom". A tad hyperbolic maybe.
One side effect of being a Japanese colony is that some Korean teams were allowed to participate in the Emperor's cup, Japan's FA cup, and in 1935 Kyungsung FC (Kyungsung was a name for Seoul during Japanese occupation) won the tournament, becoming the only 'non-Japanese' team to ever do so.
The All Joseon Football Tournament ran until WWII.
After WWII came Korean independence, and shortly thereafter the Korean War. There was football being played during this period continuously when possible. The Korean National Semi-Professional Football League was founded in 1964, and is the predecessor to today's tier 3 National League. Many of the teams during this period were works teams - employed by a company, playing under the name of the company, but also having a 'proper job' in the company. Cha Bum-kun, said by some to be the greatest ever Asian footballer, rose to fame during this period (albeit mainly in the Bundesliga), starting his senior career at the mighty Seoul Trust Bank FC. The most astonishing statistic about Cha Bum-kun is he only received one yellow card in his career.
Finally we get to the establishment of professional football with the Korean Super League in 1983, now named the K League. Initially there were only 5 teams, and 2 of those teams dropped out within 2 years. The number of clubs in the top flight has varied from the initial 5 to a high of 16 in 2011. In 2013 the K League split into two tiers, now K League 1 and K League 2.
For the first few years of the K League, teams did not have a fixed home stadium that they played in, because there was no standard home/away format that we are so familiar with today. Instead it was operated as a "national tour".
The K League in the modern era has its own history, but one of the most interesting events was the forced exodus of all three clubs from Seoul in 1996 as part of a policy to spread the popularity of football around the country, also with an eye on stadium infrastructure for the 2002 World Cup. Two of the clubs didn't move far, only just outside the city of Seoul, each to one of Seoul's satellite cities. Yukong Elephants, only half-left, because the city they moved to didn't have a stadium yet, so they continued to play in Seoul until a new stadium was built. For a number of years the K League was without any Seoul representation. In 2004, after the need to find someone to fill a great big national football stadium and help pay towards it, one of those relocated teams moved back to Seoul, becoming FC Seoul.

Football pyramid & League format

The current system looks like this:
Tier League Notes
1 K League 1 12 teams, 1 relegation to K League 2, 1 relegation play-off with K League 2
2 K League 2 10 teams, 1 promotion to K League 1, 1 promotion play-off with K League 2
3 National League 8 teams, Semi-pro, no promotion/relegation
4 K3 League Advanced 12 teams, Semi-pro/amateur, 2 relegations to K3 League Basic, 1 relegation play-off with K3 League Basic
5 K3 League Basic 11 teams, Semi-pro/amateur, 2 promotions to K3 League Advanced, 1 promotion play-off with K3 League Advanced
6 Division 5 League 6 regional leagues with 52 teams, some relegation to Division 6
7 Division 6 League 26 regional leagues with 174 teams, some pro/rel with Divisions 5 & 7
8 Division 7 League 160 regional leagues with 960 teams, some promotion with Division 6
As you can see, the naming is completely screwed up - K3 League occupies tiers 4 and 5, and Division 5 is in tier 6. This is probably because the top tier K League only split in two in 2013 with the creation on K League 2 and nobody's been bothered to update their names.
The National League sits stubbornly in tier 3, blocking any continuous pro-rel. The powers that be have regularly stated that they want to reform the pyramid to have a continuous route from top to bottom (at least to the bottom of K3 League) within a few years, but for some reason it's not happening. The winners of the 2006 National League season were offered promotion to the K League, but they declined the offer. The winners of the 2007 season were also offered promotion, but declined again even though they said they would like promotion at the start of the season.
One of the more recent additions to the K League, Bucheon FC 1995, joined from K3 League because they didn't want to pay the higher fees associated with starting out in the National League.
Outside of this system, there is the WK League, the women's top tier. The WK League has been dominated by Incheon Red Angels (no connection to Incheon United) in recent years. There's no Womens Champions League in Asia yet, but for a few years in the past the winners of the WK League played the winners of Japan's Nadeshiko League. For a little more info on the WK League, see this reddit post.
Also worth a mention is the separate U League (for universities and colleges), some of the teams from which enter into the Korean FA cup. The route into a pro team in Korea is often direct from High School or University teams, something I don't think exists in Europe. Some High School teams are even seen as "feeder teams" for a particular pro team. I won't pretend to understand how the system works, but I'll leave you with the tidbit that Park Ji-Sung was first signed to a professional team from a University team, almost by accident as the scout had come to see a different player but took home Park instead.

K League 1

K League 1 consists of 12 teams playing 38 games. The format is identical to the Scottish Premiership - all teams play each other three times and then after "the split" the top 6 and bottom 6 battle it out among themselves to settle the championship and relegation spots respectively. The first tie breaker for teams level on points is goals scored rather than goal difference.
The top 3 places offer a chance in the AFC Champions League, the fourth Champions League spot going to the winner of the Korean FA cup. Bottom place gets relegated to K League 2, whilst 11th place has a play-off with one of the teams that finished 2nd-4th in K League 2.

International context

In the current format of the AFC champions league, the competition is split into a West region (think UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iran) and an East region. The East region is dominated by three nations - Korea, China and Japan. Australia, who decided it wanted to be Asian earlier this century, has also had a bit of success.
This year there will be two debutants from Korea - Gyeongnam FC and Daegu FC. It's dufficult to predict how well these two will fare, but if they can carry some form over to this year, they could get out of the group stages at least.
Determining who has the strongest teams amongst the 'big three' East Asian nations is a difficult task and is hugely subjective. I'm almost (I say almost because obviously K League is best league) of the opinion that they're as close to equal as makes no difference. Korea has the most number of titles and the club with the most titles (Pohang Steelers). China have the highest coefficient. Japan has won the past two tournaments.
In recent years China and Japan have had a number of 'big star' foreigner signings (e.g. Paulinho, Torres) which are absent from the K League. I believe this is due to Japan having cash mainly coming from TV money, and China having cash from... well, being China. Despite Korea lagging financially, all three nations have the same limit on foreign players (three foreigners plus one from another AFC country), and so Korean teams are still competitive due to the relative strength of their domestic players.
While we're on the topic of the Champions League, each of the 'big three' East Asian nations get 4 places total - 2 or 3 to the group stages and 1 or 2 to the last qualifying play-off round before the group stages. This play-off round is massively weighted in the big three's favour, as they have to win just one home game when the weather is still genrally freezing cold, against a team from a nation with a tropical climate. I don't know of a Korean club ever losing this play-off match.
The AFC cup is sometimes said to be the equivalent of UEFA's Europa League, but it's not really comparable. The AFC cup is for the 'weaker' Asian nations only and Korea aren't allowed to enter.

Resources

Websites & podcasts

For those of us who are linguistically challenged, here's how you can follow K League in English
One of the best websites for news, match previews, and analysis is K League United. It covers everything - K League 1 & 2, FA cup, transfer news, national team and more. It also has a podcast if you're into that sort of thing.
A really good resource for up-to-date breaking news is an English version of a Korean news outlet. The "sports" category of Yonhap news for example is great. Although you'll be getting other sports news in there such as Korean baseball, football appears pretty regularly. Also, the team that works on writing the articles don't seem to work weekends.
Tavern of the Taeguk Warriors has a lot of information mainly on the Korean national team and tracks the progress of Koreans playing in Europe, but covers the domestic club scene now and then.
48 Shades of Football is a great English language podcast following Korean football.
The Asian Game is another great English language podcast that doesn't specifically follow Korean football, but since they cover Asian football they'll sometimes have in-depth coverage of the Korean clubs competing in the AFC Champions League, as well as the Korean national team.
For your Twitter fix, the Korea Football News (@KORFootballNews) and Viva La K-League (@kleagueno1) Twitter feeds are pretty quick with breaking news in English.
There is also the official K League website which can be viewed in English, but I think unless you live in Korea it's going to be painfully slow to use.
Then of course there's kleague with news and discussion, and where you can ask questions to the community.

Highlights & watching live

All highlights from K League 1 matches are uploaded fairly promptly to the spotv Youtube channel (spotv is a korean sports broadcaster). They also upload content from the KBO (baseball) and the V League (volleyball), so you'll have to scroll down until you see something saying "K리그1". It helps if you know how Korean letters sound phonetically to understand which teams are playing, but you can also see which match a video is from the crests in the thumbnail. The commentary will be in Korean, but each video is really good quality, typically about 10 minutes long.
If you watch to watch live, the good news is that is very easy, and basically free. I have no idea whether any national broadcasters or streaming services around the world have K League rights, but in Korea itself, essentially every thing is streamed on Korean online behemoth Naver's platform. The one caveat is that live streams are region locked, so to access them you'll need a VPN to get a korean IP address (although some other Asian countries also seem to have access). I won't repeat what others have already written, so here's a short guide to getting it working which also covers another route via the Daum online portal; or there's a comment in that thread which covers a more straightforward way by using the Naver TV app.
The KFA Youtube channel has a bunch of non-K League highlights including the FA cup, K3, and WK League highlights.
The K League website also has plenty of highlights, but again, outside of Korea it might be buffering for a long time.
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Guide to 2019 K League (work in progress)

• Edit 1: updated for more podcasts and the foreign GK rule • Edit 2: updated for Twitter links and the U23 rule • Edit 3: updated for some transfer news (new subsection) • Edit 4 (hopefully last edit): Imgur album of home kits, additions to transfer news, link to another reddit post about women's football.
Since I'm probably going to be pretty busy towards the end of this month and next, I thought I'd post what I have already. Some parts are a bit sparse, so if there's anything you can add to or something I've got wrong, you can send me a PM or let me know in the comments and I'll incorporate it.

Guide to 2019 K League

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Welcome to what I think is the first ever reddit guide to the K League, Korea's top flight. The new K League 1 season kicks off 1st March with last season's champions Jeonbuk against FA Cup winners Daegu. (1st is a Friday, but it's a national holiday.)
To whet your appetite, here's a best goals of the season video, and because this montage missed out one of my favourite goals of the season, here's the most entertaining team in last season's relegation battle, Incheon United's top 5 goals of last season.

Table of contents

  1. 2018 season recap & 2019 club guide
    1. K League 1 club guide
    2. K League 2 clubs
    3. Winter transfer window activity
  2. History of club football in Korea & establishment of the K League
  3. Football pyramid & League format
    1. K League 1
    2. International context
  4. Resources
    1. Websites & podcasts
    2. Highlights & watching live

2018 season recap & 2019 club guide

Here's how the K League 1 table looked at the end of 2018:
# Team P W-D-L GF GA GD Pts Notes
1 Jeonbuk Hyundai Motors 38 26-8-4 75 44 31 86 CL group stage
2 Gyeongnam FC 38 18-11-9 59 44 15 65 CL group stage
3 Ulsan Hyundai 38 17-12-9 61 46 15 63 CL playoffs
4 Pohang Steelers 38 15-9-14 48 49 -1 54
5 Jeju United 38 14-12-12 42 42 0 54
6 Suwon Samsung Bluewings 38 13-11-14 53 54 -1 50
7 Daegu FC 38 14-8-16 47 56 -9 50 CL group stage - FA cup winners
8 Gangwon FC 38 12-10-16 56 60 -4 46
9 Incheon United 38 10-12-16 55 69 -14 42
10 Sangju Sangmu 38 10-10-18 41 52 -11 40
11 FC Seoul 38 9-13-16 40 48 -8 40 Relegation playoff with K League 2
12 Jeonnam Dragons 38 8-8-22 43 69 -26 32 Relegated to K League 2
• FC Seoul won their playoff against K League 2's Busan IPark • Seongnam FC were promoted from K League 2 • Ulsan won their Champions League playoff and are in the group stages
It's impossible to write a concise summary of the 2018 season - you can get some of the details from the club guide below - but one of the most interesting stories actually comes from K League 2.
For context, you need to understand a bit about military service for footballers. Rather than take 2 years out of their career to serve in the military or do some kind of e.g. 'desk job' service, players can join one of two military football teams that play in the K League. In K League 1 there is Sangju Sangmu, and in K League 2 there is Asan Mugunghwa. Every player in these two teams is on loan for two years from another club in the K League. Sangju Sangu is affiliated with the 'normal' military, whilst Asan Mugunghwa is affiliated with the Police (serving in the auxilliary police force is another way to do your service).
The Korean government recently decided to abolish the auxilliary police force by 2023. The Police however decided to already wind down their sports teams, putting an immediate halt on recruiting players and disbanding the teams in 2019.
Now, the champions of K League 2 last season were... Asan Mugunghwa. They were in line for direct promotion to K League 1. To compete in the K League, you need to have at least 20 players, but by the time the next season started, Asan would only have 14 players, as the loan deals ran out. The League gave Asan a deadline in November to submit a recruitment plan, which they failed to do, and so the promotion spot passed to second-placed Seongnam FC. Although that deadline and hence promotion was missed, Asan have how submitted a recruitment plan that would see their 14 serving players be supplemented by new signings that indicates the club will transition to an city-owned club with the help of the Asan government.
Funnily (or depressingly), this is not the first time "Police FC" won K League 2 and missed out on promotion - in 2016 Ansan Mugunghwa were crowned champions, but at the end of that year moved from Ansan to Asan. In line with the League's policies, they were registered as a brand new club.

K League 1 club guide

Clubs can have up to three foreign players in their squad, plus an extra one from another AFC nation. Although rare, a player with North Korea citizenship is not considered foreign. Most of those foreign places are taken by Brazilians, or players from the former Yugoslavia (e.g. K League veteran Dejan Damjanovic). The exception to the foreigner rule is the goalkeeper - Korean goalkeepers in the 90s were just so bad that a block on recruiting foreign goalies was put in place to help encourage development of domestic talent. It seems to have worked, with Korean goalkeepers often being signed abroad (in Asia at least).
There is also a requirement to have U23 players fielded and on the bench, with a failure to meet this impacting the number of substitutes that can be made (Article 30 of the league 'rules').
You'll notice some of the clubs have a Korean chaebol in their team name, and even if it's not in the name, they may still be owned by a corporation behind the scenes. This sounds very odd if you're not familiar with it, but it is extremely common in Japan, China, and Korea. It may just be a symptom of some of the teams being relatively recently-founded, and perhaps isn't that unusual these days (think Red Bull, City group, majority shareholders in the West). However, the number of "Citizen" clubs, owned by the local city or provincial government, is on the rise - Gyeongnam FC is one example.
A lot of clubs probably like to think they have a derby with FC Seoul (because, well, it's Seoul) but the biggest, and probably considered the national derby, is the "Super Match" (슈퍼매치…) between FC Seoul and Suwon Samsung Bluewings. Montenegrin Damjanovic, known simply as 'Dejan', formerly of Seoul and now playing for Suwon, is the top scorer in this fixture.
Here's the clubs, by last season's standing, and since crests are a bit unstable on reddit at the moment, here's an imgur album of all club crests and corresponding home kits for the 2019 season:

Jeonbuk Hyundai Motors

Jeonbuk are the dominant team in Korea, and one the of the teams you don't want to face in the Champions League whoever you are. They've now won 4 out of the last 5 K league 1 titles, and a most recent Champions League title in 2016.
Their rise to power over the last decade+ has been overseen by long term manager Choi Kang-hee. Choi left at the end of last season to Tianjin Quanjin/Tianhai Daliang Yifang FC in China. Korea seems to have a thing for Portuguese managers these days, and his replacement is one José Morais. Morais was assistant manager to José Mourinho for a period, but as manager proper he's been a bit shit. He was at two clubs in 2018, which included ushering Barnsley into relegation to English League One. How Jeonbuk will fare after Choi remains to be seen.
Although Jeonbuk cruised to the League title, it would be difficult to call their season an outright success due to a horrendous 15 mins at the end of the second half in a home match against Suwon in the Champions League quarter-final. They turned the 3 goal deficit around in the seond leg when they travelled to Suwon, but went out on penalties.

Gyeongnam FC

Gyeongnam were only promoted from K League 2 the previous season, so coming second in K League 1 is something special. Top scorer in the league Marcão, played his part with 26 goals.
Gyeongnam will now feature in the Champions League for the first time. I thought that seems to have put the brakes on too many of their players departing, but captain Choi Young-jun signed for Jeonbuk in the winter transfer window. A major loss is Marcão who was also top scorer in K League 2 in the year they were promoted, who appears to have followed the money to China. Also off to China is key centre-back Park Ji-soo. So basically the backbone of the team from defence to attack has left…

Ulsan Hyundai

Known as the Horang-i (호랑이) - the Tigers - Ulsan have had intermittent success in Asia, winning the Champions League for the first and only time in 2012 in an unbeaten run.
Towards the end of the 2018 season, Ulsan were battling Gyeongnam for the second spot, which brings with it direct qualification to the Champions League group stages rather than having a play-off. They lost out, but were widely expected to secure a direct qualification spot anyway when they faced Daegu FC in the FA Cup final. Ultimately they finished the season on a low, losing 5-1 on aggregate to Daegu in the final.

Pohang Steelers

One of the few clubs that predates the formation of the K League, Pohang are another of the historical Korean powerhouses. They hold the record for the most number of Champions League title (3), but their last title came in 2009.
Finishing fourth in the league, they were hoping that Ulsan would beat Daegu in the FA Cup final to pass their Champions League spot on down, but it didn't happen.

Jeju United

One of the original members of the K League, founded as the Yukong Elephants in the Seoul area. As part of the decentralisation program, they moved to Bucheon (kind of) and were renamed as Bucheon SK. The decision to move to Jeju in 2006 was an abrupt one, and understandably deeply unpopular with the fans. Teams uprooting and moving elsewhere is a bit of a catalyst for the creation of new teams in Korea, and the fans formed Bucheon FC 1995 in the absence of Bucheon SK.
The reason given for the relocation was to the address the imbalance in football teams being located around Seoul/Gyeonggi-do, and Jeju did not have a pro team at the time, but there are suggestions the owners SK group wanted to cut their investment and recoup some costs.
There were recent rumours that Jeju would move yet again, back north to Yongin, but who knows.
Jeju had a pretty mediocre season, what more can I say.

Suwon Samsung Bluewings

Suwon's 2018 season was a bit bonkers, and especially so in their Champions League run.
In their Champions League group, in which they were drawn with eventual winners Kashima Antlers, Suwon did not manage a single home win. However they had managed to get two away wins, and going into the final match, they still had their fate in their own hands if they could win against group leaders Kashima in Japan. They won 1-0, getting three away wins and topping the group.
Manager Seo Jung-won, at a time when Suwon were 4th in the League, resigned the day before the first leg of their Champions League quarter-final clash with Jeonbuk, due to fan protests. Jeonbuk were apparently completely bamboozled by this event, and took a 3-0 beating at home. Then in the return leg in Suwon, Jeonbuk fought back to win 3-0, but Suwon were able to scrape through on penalties to face Kashima Antlers yet again in the semis.
In the semi-final fixture, Suwon went 2-0 up against Kashima Antlers inside the first 10 minutes, but went on to lose 3-2 in the first leg. Soon after, manager Seo returned as suddenly as he had departed, having been gone for just 6 weeks. In the second leg, Suwon went a goal down in the first half, but came back with 3 in the second half to be on their way to the final after 60 mins played. However, Kashima Antlers fought back to get two more goals and win 6-5 on aggregate, and would go on to win the final. If you want to relive a part of that rollercoaster night, here you go, and here's an idea of the atmosphere that night.
At one point, it looked like they might qualify for the Champions League again for the 2019 season, but Suwon didn't win any of their final five league matches and dropped to 6th.
Manager Seo left again at the end of the season and will manage Japan's Sagan Tosu. Recently, captain Kim Eun-sun was released from the club for drink-driving. The drama just never ends.

Daegu FC

Prior to the World Cup, Daegu were languishing at the bottom of the table, but after the return they found some kind of consistent form, helped out by World Cup hero goalkeeper Jo Hyeon-woo. They really peaked at the right time, as Daegu made it to the FA Cup final, and against the odds defeated Ulsan Hyundai 5-1 on aggregate, meaning for the first time they will feature in the Champions League. This is no mean feat for team whose best ever finish in the top flight is 7th place. If they carry over their momentum into the 2019 season the year could be one of their most successful ever. They will also be playing in a new football-specific stadium this year.

Gangwon FC

Gangwon are a fairly mid-bottom team, I don't really know what to say about them. They did have the 2nd-highest top scorer in the 2018 season though, Bosnian Uros Deric. They also had the worst colour scheme in the league last season, their kit is slightly improved this season.

Incheon United

I always like to imagine that Incheon chose their strip so that they could be the Inter to FC Seoul's AC Milan. They even have a nickname "Nerazzurri" (another nickname is the Durumi - 두루미 - the cranes).
Incheon spent most of the 2018 season at the very bottom of table, and had the joint-leakiest defence in the league. They brought in Norwegian manager Jørn Andersen midway through the season to turn their fortunes around, but even after that they were on the wrong end or the biggest thrashing of the season, 7-0 against Gangwon. Coming into the end of the season though, they were playing really nice attacking football, even if they didn't always get the result. At 'the split' they were still bottom, but won 4 out of 5 games to pull themselves up 3 places.
It was in attack that Incheon shone. Montenegrin Stefan Mugosa was their top scorer in his debut season. Moon Seon-min, with the best goal celebration in the league, also put in a strong performance, but has now signed for champions Jeonbuk. Nam Jun-jae returned in the summer to score some bangers. Costa Rican international Aguilar was also impressive, but has signed for Jeju in the new season.

Sangju Sangmu

The "military team" where other K League players get loaned to to complete their military service. Their history goes far back in one sense, as various military teams were playing way back to the 50s, but they were founded for pro footballers to serve their time only in 1984. Although they were for pro players, they competed in the semi-pro National League until 2003 when they joined the K League, based in Gwangju. When Gwangju FC were formed, they moved to Sangju.
Sangju Sangmu do not have any foreign players for obvious reasons, and cannot compete in the Champions League, although the chances of ever finishing in a qualifying spot are fairly slim.

FC Seoul

FC Seoul. Wow. What happened? Having won the league in 2016 (albeit somewhat fortuitously), and always finishing in the top half if not competing for the title in the past decade, nobody expected Seoul to be fighting against relegation. Although relatively solid defensively, they scored the least number of goals in the league season of all teams. Their star foreign players almost all left before the season started (including Dejan to rivals Suwon) and were not replaced with the same quality, and for many matches Seoul played with an all-Korean team. One bit of good news for the future is that former captain Osmar will return from his loan to Cezero Osaka for the new season.
Seoul at least managed to avoid relegation by beating Busan IPark over two legs in the play-off, helped by a red card in the first leg. Surprisingly they managed to score 3 goals in the first leg in open play.
Seoul is probably the most popular club in Korea, I'm sure helped by the fact that it is the main club in a city of 10 million people - Seoul generally has the highest game attendances (although it was much reduced last season because they were so crap).
Starting out as Lucky-Goldstar (i.e. LG) FC in Chungcheong province, the team was permitted to relocate to Seoul at the start of the 90s, and were renamed as LG Cheetahs. During the decentralisation period, they moved to Anyang, modifying their name to Anyang LG Cheetahs. After the World Cup, the team successfully negotiated a move back to Seoul and did away with their "cheetahs" moniker, taking their current name FC Seoul. Their founding and "re-birth" years are both on their badge - 1983 and 2004.

Seongnam FC

Gaining direct promotion due to Asan Mugunghwa's situation, Seongnam is actually the most decorated team in Korea.
Founded in 1989 in Seoul as Ilhwa Chunma, they were forced out of Seoul and settled in Cheonnan for a period. In 2000 they moved to Seongnam, a satellite city of Seoul and appended the city name to the name of the club. Seongnam's title drought started when the head of the owner company that backed Seongnam died in 2012, and the board were keen to let go of the club. Seongnam city government took over ownership of the club for the 2014 season, and they were renamed Seongnam FC. Seongnam are now back in K League 1 after a 2 year absence.

K League 2 clubs

By last season's standings:

Jeonnam Dragons

Jeonbuk's Jeolla province rivals, they finished the previous season on an awful losing streak and were relegated for the first time.

Asan Mugunghwa

"Police FC", they missed promotion despite winning K League 2, and will probably lose their police affiliation by next year.

Busan IPark

One of the founding members of the K League and another that effectively predates the K League, Busan were beaten by K League 1 opposition in the pro/rel play-off for the second year in a row. They were the first Korean team to win the Asian continental title in the 80s.

Daejeon Citizen

One of the first community/city-owned clubs in Korea.

Gwangju FC

Relegated in the 2017 season. Despite finishing 5th in 2018, they still got to participate in the play-offs due to Asan Mugunghwa's situation.

FC Anyang

Founded in 2013, finally filling the void left by the departure of FC Seoul from the city.

Suwon FC

The other Suwon team, they featured in K League 1 briefly in 2016.

Bucheon FC 1995

Formed after the departure of Jeju United from the city. Formed in 2007, 1995 refers to the year of the organising of the Yukong Elephant fan club. Including 1995 in the name is meant to show it's a club for the fans or something.
Bucheon FC 1995 are also one half of the '032 derby' with Incheon United because they share the same area code, 032.

Ansan Greeners FC

Formed only in 2017, they've had two 9th-position finishes.

Seoul E-Land FC

The other Seoul team, their debut season was in 2015. They didn't do very well last season, although it was very tight at the bottom of the table.

Winter transfer window activity

From a monetary point of view, Korea is the biggest net exporter of players in Asia in the transfer market. This winter window was no different, with what I would say were the two biggest stories involving young homegrown Korean talent going abroad.
The first is that of Jeonbuk and national team star centre-back, Kim Min-jae, nicknamed "the monster". There were rumours of an offer from English side Watford, but it wasn't clear if there ever was any offer or negotiations - Kim himself said he did not know of any interest from Watford. It doesn't really matter now - Kim signed with Chinese side Beijing Sinobo Guoan and will see Champions League football with them in the new season, being drawn in the same group as Jeonbuk.
The second is Hwang In-beom, who has signed for MLS side Vancouver Whitecaps. Hwang In-beom played in K League 2 last season with Asan Mugunghwa and Daejeon Citizen, but has impressed as a midfield playmaker and is currently seen as a replacement for Ki Sung-yueng in the national team.
For a recognisable name for western readers, the best I have is Englishman Jordon Mutch who signed for Gyeongnam from Crystal Palace, resulting in this awkward photo op. (Another recognisable name is Mix Diskerud on loan to Ulsan from Man City, but he joined the previous year).
K League 1's top scorer Marcão left Gyeongnam for Hebei China Fortune, and his replacement is Luc Castaignos signed from Sporting CP. His stats in Europe haven't been great in recent years, but he may fare better in Korea.
There were of course a few hundred domestic internal transfers and number of other foreign player signings - if you want the full list, K League United's winter transfer tracker has it all.

History of club football in Korea & establishment of the K League

Association football was first introduced to Korea in 1882 when British Royal Navy crew harboured at Incheon played a game. It wasn't until the 1900s that football began to take hold, and the first public match was played in 1905. There was a boom in in the 1910s with a number of football clubs being formed, and rivalries began to form between clubs in Seoul and Pyongyang.
The first nationwide competition was the All Joseon Football Tournament (Joseon being the name for Korea at the time), founded in 1921. There wasn't actually a champion crowned in 1921, as the tournament was cut short due to complaints over refereeing decisions. All this was taking place during Japanese occupation of Korea during most of the first half of the 20th century.
According to the KFA, "football was the only tonic that could relieve the the national resentment that had accumlated in the hearts as a colony under the Japanese empire, and was a sprout that could foster the hope of freedom". A tad hyperbolic maybe.
One side effect of being a Japanese colony is that some Korean teams were allowed to participate in the Emperor's cup, Japan's FA cup, and in 1935 Kyungsung FC (Kyungsung was a name for Seoul during Japanese occupation) won the tournament, becoming the only 'non-Japanese' team to ever do so.
The All Joseon Football Tournament ran until WWII.
After WWII came Korean independence, and shortly thereafter the Korean War. There was football being played during this period continuously when possible. The Korean National Semi-Professional Football League was founded in 1964, and is the predecessor to today's tier 3 National League. Many of the teams during this period were works teams - employed by a company, playing under the name of the company, but also having a 'proper job' in the company. Cha Bum-kun, said by some to be the greatest ever Asian footballer, rose to fame during this period (albeit mainly in the Bundesliga), starting his senior career at the mighty Seoul Trust Bank FC. The most astonishing statistic about Cha Bum-kun is he only received one yellow card in his career.
Finally we get to the establishment of professional football with the Korean Super League in 1983, now named the K League. Initially there were only 5 teams, and 2 of those teams dropped out within 2 years. The number of clubs in the top flight has varied from the initial 5 to a high of 16 in 2011. In 2013 the K League split into two tiers, now K League 1 and K League 2.
For the first few years of the K League, teams did not have a fixed home stadium that they played in, because there was no standard home/away format that we are so familiar with today. Instead it was operated as a "national tour".
The K League in the modern era has its own history, but one of the most interesting events was the forced exodus of all three clubs from Seoul in 1996 as part of a policy to spread the popularity of football around the country, also with an eye on stadium infrastructure for the 2002 World Cup. Two of the clubs didn't move far, only just outside the city of Seoul, each to one of Seoul's satellite cities. Yukong Elephants, only half-left, because the city they moved to didn't have a stadium yet, so they continued to play in Seoul until a new stadium was built. For a number of years the K League was without any Seoul representation. In 2004, after the need to find someone to fill a great big national football stadium and help pay towards it, one of those relocated teams moved back to Seoul, becoming FC Seoul.

Football pyramid & League format

The current system looks like this:
Tier League Notes
1 K League 1 12 teams, 1 relegation to K League 2, 1 relegation play-off with K League 2
2 K League 2 10 teams, 1 promotion to K League 1, 1 promotion play-off with K League 2
3 National League 8 teams, Semi-pro, no promotion/relegation
4 K3 League Advanced 12 teams, Semi-pro/amateur, 2 relegations to K3 League Basic, 1 relegation play-off with K3 League Basic
5 K3 League Basic 11 teams, Semi-pro/amateur, 2 promotions to K3 League Advanced, 1 promotion play-off with K3 League Advanced
6 Division 5 League 6 regional leagues with 52 teams, some relegation to Division 6
7 Division 6 League 26 regional leagues with 174 teams, some pro/rel with Divisions 5 & 7
8 Division 7 League 160 regional leagues with 960 teams, some promotion with Division 6
As you can see, the naming is completely screwed up - K3 League occupies tiers 4 and 5, and Division 5 is in tier 6. This is probably because the top tier K League only split in two in 2013 with the creation on K League 2 and nobody's been bothered to update their names.
The National League sits stubbornly in tier 3, blocking any continuous pro-rel. The powers that be have regularly stated that they want to reform the pyramid to have a continuous route from top to bottom (at least to the bottom of K3 League) within a few years, but for some reason it's not happening. The winners of the 2006 National League season were offered promotion to the K League, but they declined the offer. The winners of the 2007 season were also offered promotion, but declined again even though they said they would like promotion at the start of the season.
One of the more recent additions to the K League, Bucheon FC 1995, joined from K3 League because they didn't want to pay the higher fees associated with starting out in the National League.
Outside of this system, there is the WK League, the women's top tier. The WK League has been dominated by Incheon Red Angels (no connection to Incheon United) in recent years. There's no Womens Champions League in Asia yet, but for a few years in the past the winners of the WK League played the winners of Japan's Nadeshiko League. For a little more info on the WK League, see this reddit post.
Also worth a mention is the separate U League (for universities and colleges), some of the teams from which enter into the Korean FA cup. The route into a pro team in Korea is often direct from High School or University teams, something I don't think exists in Europe. Some High School teams are even seen as "feeder teams" for a particular pro team. I won't pretend to understand how the system works, but I'll leave you with the tidbit that Park Ji-Sung was first signed to a professional team from a University team, almost by accident as the scout had come to see a different player but took home Park instead.

K League 1

K League 1 consists of 12 teams playing 38 games. The format is identical to the Scottish Premiership - all teams play each other three times and then after "the split" the top 6 and bottom 6 battle it out among themselves to settle the championship and relegation spots respectively. The first tie breaker for teams level on points is goals scored rather than goal difference.
The top 3 places offer a chance in the AFC Champions League, the fourth Champions League spot going to the winner of the Korean FA cup. Bottom place gets relegated to K League 2, whilst 11th place has a play-off with one of the teams that finished 2nd-4th in K League 2.

International context

In the current format of the AFC champions league, the competition is split into a West region (think UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Iran) and an East region. The East region is dominated by three nations - Korea, China and Japan. Australia, who decided it wanted to be Asian earlier this century, has also had a bit of success.
This year there will be two debutants from Korea - Gyeongnam FC and Daegu FC. It's dufficult to predict how well these two will fare, but if they can carry some form over to this year, they could get out of the group stages at least.
Determining who has the strongest teams amongst the 'big three' East Asian nations is a difficult task and is hugely subjective. I'm almost (I say almost because obviously K League is best league) of the opinion that they're as close to equal as makes no difference. Korea has the most number of titles and the club with the most titles (Pohang Steelers). China have the highest coefficient. Japan has won the past two tournaments.
In recent years China and Japan have had a number of 'big star' foreigner signings (e.g. Paulinho, Torres) which are absent from the K League. I believe this is due to Japan having cash mainly coming from TV money, and China having cash from... well, being China. Despite Korea lagging financially, all three nations have the same limit on foreign players (three foreigners plus one from another AFC country), and so Korean teams are still competitive due to the relative strength of their domestic players.
While we're on the topic of the Champions League, each of the 'big three' East Asian nations get 4 places total - 2 or 3 to the group stages and 1 or 2 to the last qualifying play-off round before the group stages. This play-off round is massively weighted in the big three's favour, as they have to win just one home game when the weather is still genrally freezing cold, against a team from a nation with a tropical climate. I don't know of a Korean club ever losing this play-off match.
The AFC cup is sometimes said to be the equivalent of UEFA's Europa League, but it's not really comparable. The AFC cup is for the 'weaker' Asian nations only and Korea aren't allowed to enter.

Resources

Websites & podcasts

For those of us who are linguistically challenged, here's how you can follow K League in English
One of the best websites for news, match previews, and analysis is K League United. It covers everything - K League 1 & 2, FA cup, transfer news, national team and more. It also has a podcast if you're into that sort of thing.
A really good resource for up-to-date breaking news is an English version of a Korean news outlet. The "sports" category of Yonhap news for example is great. Although you'll be getting other sports news in there such as Korean baseball, football appears pretty regularly. Also, the team that works on writing the articles don't seem to work weekends.
Tavern of the Taeguk Warriors has a lot of information mainly on the Korean national team and tracks the progress of Koreans playing in Europe, but covers the domestic club scene now and then.
48 Shades of Football is a great English language podcast following Korean football.
The Asian Game is another great English language podcast that doesn't specifically follow Korean football, but since they cover Asian football they'll sometimes have in-depth coverage of the Korean clubs competing in the AFC Champions League, as well as the Korean national team.
For your Twitter fix, the Korea Football News (@KORFootballNews) and Viva La K-League (@kleagueno1) Twitter feeds are pretty quick with breaking news in English.
There is also the official K League website which can be viewed in English, but I think unless you live in Korea it's going to be painfully slow to use.
Then of course there's kleague with news and discussion, and where you can ask questions to the community.

Highlights & watching live

All highlights from K League 1 matches are uploaded fairly promptly to the spotv Youtube channel (spotv is a korean sports broadcaster). They also upload content from the KBO (baseball) and the V League (volleyball), so you'll have to scroll down until you see something saying "K리그1". It helps if you know how Korean letters sound phonetically to understand which teams are playing, but you can also see which match a video is from the crests in the thumbnail. The commentary will be in Korean, but each video is really good quality, typically about 10 minutes long.
If you watch to watch live, the good news is that is very easy, and basically free. I have no idea whether any national broadcasters or streaming services around the world have K League rights, but in Korea itself, essentially every thing is streamed on Korean online behemoth Naver's platform. The one caveat is that live streams are region locked, so to access them you'll need a VPN to get a korean IP address (although some other Asian countries also seem to have access). I won't repeat what others have already written, so here's a short guide to getting it working which also covers another route via the Daum online portal; or there's a comment in that thread which covers a more straightforward way by using the Naver TV app.
The KFA Youtube channel has a bunch of non-K League highlights including the FA cup, K3, and WK League highlights.
The K League website also has plenty of highlights, but again, outside of Korea it might be buffering for a long time.
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General and Helpful Guide to Soccerbetting

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(FanFic) Peroroncino and Momonga ch.18

My Fanfic profile with all chapters M rated version and other OVERLORD fics

CHAPTER EIGHTEEN: Moving Pieces

The tavern was run down and smelled of old ale, as a tavern like this should. at the end of the room she saw the group that was interviewing her.

"Ninya over here!" A blonde man with a mark of red in his hair said, motioning for her to come over. A half elf with pigtails sat next to him. Ninya smiled nervously and sat across from the couple, next to her was a girl with short blonde hair.

"So, this is the one you talked about?" the elf asked. The man shook his head.

"Imina, you're being rude to our new member here." the man said.

"Just because Arche can verify she is a caster, that doesn't mean she's a good one." the elf said. Ninya was surprised the man said she was the new member... like he'd decided to take her along already. The one called Arche sat next to her and looked at her with pretty blue eyes.

"I'm sorry, we've been talking about you liek you were not here... Hello Ninya, I am Hekkeran, this charming lass next to me is out ranger Imina, don't let her personality fool you, she's actually pretty hard to get along with. At this jab, Imina looked ah Hekkeran with glare but said nothing. Ninya smiled at the joke.

"The one next to you looking at you like she can see through you is Arche... she can see how powerful casters are," he explained. Ninya turned to Arche.

"Oh? And am I strong?" Arche gave a "so-so" motion with her hand.

"I guess... you probably still have lots to learn, as do I." Ninya looked at Arches gear, she was in worse gear than the rest of the group.. even Ninya had a better staff than this girl.

"Anyway, we have another member but he's off doing charity work, out cleric Roberdyck... with the five of us I'm sure we can do well out there, anyway Ninya, we decided to hire you id Arch gave you the nod, and she has so... welcome to Foresight!" Hekkeran said offering Ninya her hand, she shook it and smiled. Imina didn't seem too pleased but still forced a smile. Arche was smiling and shook her hand as well.

"So Ninya, where are you from originally?" Hekkeran asked taking a drink from a mug he had in front of him. The elf seemed to be ahead of him as she had three empty mugs next to her.

"Well, I recently left the Re-Estize Kingdom..."

"Oh, good timing on that then!" Hekkeran said, but the look of confusion on Ninya's face told him she didn't know what he was talking about, it was recent news after all.

"You really haven't heard? The Re-Estize Kingdoms capital is gone..." he said looking as though he was not joking. She didn't understand...

"Gone? Like..." Ninya asked, Hekkeran made a "poof" sound and motion.

"Gone... some kind of Demihuman made the whole city vanish, this happened about a week ago... the news just got here really... but it's legit I hear. Ninya wondered if her sister was in the city that vanished... she hoped or rather... chose to believe she didn't.

"I heard that some big shot monk died in the attack," Imina said putting the fourth mug with the others and ordering another. Ninya perked up at this info.

"Hmm? Do you know his name?" Imina thought for a while...

'Something stupid like Joe Joe or something..." Ninya's heart sank.

"Was his name Ji Joe?" She asked sadly, the elf snapped her fingers in recognition.

"Yeah, that's it Ji Joe... heard he died saving the life of some girl." She said smiling as the drinks she ordered arrived.

"I see..." Ninya looked down... she regretted the last things she yelled at him... but there was nothign she could do about it now.

"Anyway, if you're ready we already have a job lined in the Katze Plain... simple undead hunting... what do you say?" Hekkeran asked. Ninya nodded.

"That's good... I need as much gold as possible to rescue my sister from slavery..." She told them honestly. They all looked at Arche.

"Wow... kinda like..." But Arche cleared her throat to shut them up.

"My situation is NOTHING like hers... anyway I can't see how this helps us kill undead?" The blonde caster said. Ninya bowed to say she was sorry to Arche, and nodded.

"I have all my things with me now... so whenever you wish to leave, I am ready.

"Good good... we will meet our cleric in E-Rantel and already have a carriage rented for the trip... ready whenever you are." Hekkerasn said but the elf next to him growled.

"I'm still drinking here!" She wined. Hekkeran rolled his eyes at her.

"We never agreed to drink in the first place, we were just meeting Ninya here because it's public, and second you're never finished drinking Imina... now let's go!" She made a pouty face but made no more complaints... Ironically Ninya had just left from there but now she had a new group, one that she would not get attached to this time around.

In The Re-Eszite capitals royal castle, Princess Renner stands in her room. She was in her royal dress and behind her Climb was standing faithfully like always... everything was as it should be... but... that means it wasn't right... right? Why was she so confused? Her mind was always sharp and able see moves many moves ahead from where she was on the board... but something just didn't sit right with her. She looked out at the beautiful pink sky... pink?

"Climb... may I ask you a strange question?" He immediately became attentive walking before her with a seriouse look on his adorable little face, like a puppy who'd just had it's name called she thought.

"Yes My princess... what would you like to know?" He was all business as always.

"The sky..." He blinked and looked out the window. He saw nothing amiss, maybe a little cloud cover that could mean rain in the future, but that was it.

"Yes, it is a nice shade of pink today isn't it?" It was all he could think to say as he did not know what his princess wanted of him.

"Is it? The sky is always pink then?" Climb looked puzzled at the odd question... of course, it was pink... it always was!

"As far as I remember it's always been pink My Princess... why?" He asked looking like a confused little puppy that was tricked if you pretended to throw a bone but didn't really... she loved it!

"Oh I don't know... for some reason it seems odd to me." Her remark seemed to cause him trouble. If the sky was the wrong color because she said it was... that was the case! He trusted her words more than his own eyes.

"Should I call in the court wizard? Maybe he..." but she shook her head silently with a becoming smile to still his actions.

"Forget about it Climb my dear... so long as you are the real Climb... you are, aren't you?" She asked, his confused look was a bit more than normal, he seemed genuinely worried now.

"Yes, my Princess, I am the real Climb." The way he answered that with no hesitation or wonder if she was joking let her know this was him... even if this world wasn't... and that was enough for her.

"No matter then... Climb aren't you tired?" She asked and it donned on him that he was... as soon as she asked that. He was exhausted from staying awake all night with some weird dream about Demihumans attacking the city...

"Yes... um, I'm sorry I do not know why... I had a very odd dream that must have kept me from resting completely, I am sorry my princess!" Princess Renner smiled and motioned to a bed that was oddly in this living room, where no bed should be, yet neither thought it odd that it was there.

"Why not take your armor off and rest there for as while? It won't do to have my guard losing sleep after all." She said with a smile that could melt ice. He seemed a bit confused about her offer, but her reasoning made sense. He removed the mythril armor she had made for him and set it on the table respectfully. He walked to the bed and sat on it, she smiled at him again.

"Aren't you very tired Climb?" He blinked and nodded, but sleeping in the presence of the one he had to protect was unforgivable in his eyes... yet he was so very tired...

"Lay down and rest then, I will watch over you for a change."Princess Renner said lightly caressing his face as his eyes became heavy and he fell right to sleep. Princes Renner looked out the window at the strange pink sky... it did look good today she thought.

"Climb... you are asleep... you understand? Nothing can wake you up. I am ordering you to remain asleep!" She said to the boy in the bed that should not really be here.

"A dream then?" She thought it might be a dream but this was the real Climb, she was sure of it... not just how she saw him... this was a real dream?" He gave no response, just a slight snore. A world where she can control climb with her words... to any end? Real or not... this world would do just fine for her. She unlatched the back of her dress and it fell to the ground. She now stood over her knight naked. She slowly aroused her body as she fingered herself lightly to get her wetness ready.

"Remain asleep Climb..."She ordered again as she undid his pants and pulled out his nice member with her free hand, still pushing her own fingers deeper and spreading herself, getting ready for her long-awaited ride of love. She could feel her juices running down her slender legs as she focused on the sleeping boy before her.

"Not bad Climb... not bad... now..." she moaned as she took his soft dick in her mouth, however it did not remain soft for long, it grew hard and in size inside her mouth, she clamped her lips over it and sucked it hard but delicately and slowly still... she was a princess after all. She pulled his erect cock from her mouth and inspected it, running her hand up and down it's shaft. It tasted salty but clean... her boy was a good man. She slid him to the back of her throat til an unwomanly gag made her pull him out with asmll gasp... she'd never done something like this before.

"Nuuuhhh..." Climb moaned in his sleep.

"Do not climax Climb, you cannot orgasm until I say so... alright?" He gave no recognition of her order but she knew he'd never disobey her no matter what as she abandoned ladylike nature shoving Climbs hard member back into her throat. She moaned over and over as she sucked the tip of it as hard as she could, working her dainty lips over the round head before greedily ramming his head to her gag spot again over and over again, she was making the most unprincely sounds when his dick hit the back of her thoat. But as it was caused by the dick she owned, it did not matter.

"BAAH!" She gasped for air and panted in a lewd manner as she jacked her sleeping knight up and down with her hand as hard as she could. The tip of his dick was bright red and his face look pained as he resued to cum until ordered... no matter how he felt.

"That's good Climb... you still may not climax yet..." She said as she gave out a small orgasm as she made her self wet the floor she was squatting over with her climax. It was time to sheath Climbs sword into her... she licked her lips as she stood up and put hier wet fingers in his mouth so he could know how much he aroused his princess.

"Your sword is meant to protect me Climb... but I want to use your sword on me now!" She hummed as Renner moved her hips over his and took him inside of her as she sat onto her love.

Feeling him break her virginity sent waves of pleasure and pain through her hips, back and back of her neck. Getting stabbed with a sword should hurt a little as should bleeding be expected... she ignored her blood on her guards' shaft and pushed her royal hips against his, letting him run her through at last with his weapon.

"Oh Climb... be mine forever in this world that we share?" She moaned softly kissing his unresponsive lips as she let her wetness help with his job of pleasing his Princess. She began to moan lewdly as she felt him reach her womb, where she wanted him to pierce her most of all.

"Now... flow into me Climb!" and on her order he did, even in his sleep he moaned about as his orgasm filled her body. She smiled as she realized she could control everything Climb would do or say here... in this world with a pink sky. Renner purred as she felt him warm her up from the inside.

"Just sleep there Climb... sleep for all eternity... with me..." She whimpered as she reached another climax. After it had finished she lay down on his rising and lowering chest, she could hear his heart beating and it made her happy. She closed her eyes, wondering what price she paid to have this world where only Climb and her mattered... and the beautiful pink sky.

Elsewhere on the streets of the Re-Estize Captial...

Brain stood on the streets of the Re-Estize kingdom. He was standing before the monster he feared more than anything. the true Vampire Shalltear Bloodfallen.

"A human? What can you do with that?" the monster with a mouth like a lamprey cackled. It had burning red eyes and long white hair... it was Shalltear Bloodfallen... the monster that haunted his dreams, but now she stood before him in the real world, this world with it's constant pink sky, never changing. She was but a girl when he first saw her, but something in the back of his mind told him THIS was the true form of the monster that had shattered his resolve before, and she was even more powerful in this form!

"Back monster!" Brain screamed at the beast. He knew her power vastly outranked his... but he had led his whole life by this sword he held in his hands... The monster dashed at him screaming like a banshee.

"[NAIL CUTTER]" Brain cried out using his move that combined every martial art he knew... it was a useless endeavor, but it was the best he could muster.

"REEEEE..." She was screaming but she met his blade just as he'd aimed and her head came flying off! A gout of blood sprayed the city streets as her horrible head bounced to his feet looking up at him in a death scream.

"You over confident monsters... always lose to skill in the end!" Brin laughed as he kicked the vampires head down the street of the Re-Estize capital.

"Nice Form!" A gruff voice came from in front of him. It was a robust man bigger than he with brown hair and beard. it was Brain Unglases rival, Gazef Stronoff! he had his foot on the head of the monster Brain had just kicked, stopping like a football (soccer ball).

"You were watching me?" Brain asked sheathing his sword. Gazef Stronoff walked up to him and put his hand on Brain's shoulder.

"I've always been watching you Brain!" The man said with eyes that pierced through his soul...

"Your stance has gotten better since last I saw it." Brains heart sank as he realized he'd misread Gazef words. Gazef looked up at the pink sky. He had some faint memories of fighting Demihuman recently... but that must have been a dream because the sky was black for some unknown reason in those dream memories.

"Gazef!" Several men from his unit, all of them, in fact, came running to him. He smiled and pushed Brain forward.

"Brain Unglas, meet my men they served with me these past few years" He laughed as they crowded around him greeting him.

"So Brain, now that you've slain your monster... how about working under me?" Gazef said out of the pink.

"As Kings Gaurd? Isn't a sellsword a little below that royal standards?" Gazef laughed.

"What are you talking about? The King has made me his official Royal guard, at last, every last nobel even demanded I be raised to this status, can you believe that?" Brain shook his head, the unhappiness of the opposing noble faction would always harp on haw Gazef of common blood should not serve... but now all of them demanded it? Certainly was strange, Brain looked at the decapitated head of Shalltear.

"Stranger things have happened I suppose..."

"With Climb getting married to Princess Renner soon she will be in need of a new royal guard, and she wishes to keep the tradition of hiring a commoner as a guard seeing as how Climb and myself as widely recognized because of our skills, regardless of our upbringing.

King Ramposa III sat his throne. All the nobles had gathered to wish his daughter a happy marriage. These were the ones that were not able to make it to the announcement ceremony between his lovely daughter and her brave bodyguard Climb. Most of them were of the opposing noble faction but as of late all the nobles came under his banner once more, united the Re-Estize Kingdom like never before! Through sheer luck, he would probably go down as the greatest king of the Re-Estize Kingdom... more importantly he'd be handing this strong nation over to his son.

"Your Majesty... a letter from The Baharuth Empire!" King Ramposa rolled his eyes, it was a little early this year, they would declare E-Rantel and it's surrounding territories theirs and openly wage war... or rather a war of sorts.

"In recognition of Princess Renner Theiere Chardelon Ryle Vaiself's upcoming marriage to Climb. Jircniv Rune Farlord El Nix has declared there will be no territorial dispute as Jircniv Rune Farlord El Nix had decided to recognize E-Rantel and its surrounding territories as that of the Re-Estize kingdom with the hope of a united and stronger future for mankind? This can't be correct... a joke yes?" the king asked the messenger.

"My Lord it seems not as our scouts have reported all military presence in or even around the Katze Plain are no longer present." King Ramposa shook his head in disbelief. Is this too good to be true? The dream he'd had last night of the capital getting attacked by Demihumans sure was a strange one, but very little about it made any sense... as dreams go.

"Well then issue Jircniv Rune Farlord El Nix an official invitation to the wedding, kindness should be shown in kind." The messenger bowed and excused himself. Lakyus was among the people here but nothing made any sense.

Princess Renner openly Marrying Climb? And the noble are okay with this, even happy about it? Something is wrong... and not just with the color of the sky. She knew the "dream" last night was real and this was the "dream" but just one they were trapped in... Lakyus understood she was in a prison of sorts, and all the inmates are as happy as they could be, no need of guards... She excused herself politely and left the room casting [MESSAGE] to Evileye...nothing. She tried again to Garagan...nothing. Tina and Tia as well... it would seem she was the only member of The Blue Roses to get trapped in this weird place. she decided to play it safe and not talk openly about how the sky should not be pink and there used to be a thing called "night time".

"Maybe the border..." She decided to head for the border of the capital city to see how far this prison went.

Back in the real world, at the borders of The Holy Kingdom. Neia and Remedios were reaching their nations wall, just to see another wall, much bigger than their own. The paladin unit and squire looked at the large wooden barrier with Demihumans mockingly laughing at the humans below.

"How... could they have built this thing?" Remedios wondered out loud.

"We watched them erect this thing day by day over these past two weeks... they used techniques unknown to us, their wall is better than ours in every way... and it took them a fraction of the time to build it.

"How, how did they do this?" Remedios asked getting angry, but three men all pointed to two little figures on the enemy wall.

"those two there, a boy and a girl it looks like, but they have weird masks on so we can't tell their species... but their arms and legs look tanned like maybe a Dark Elf?

"Dark Elves? Working with Demihumans? The Slane Theocracy was right after all! the elves did align with the Demihumans like they had feared they would!" The soldiers all exchanged glances, this was never a concern as Demihuman ate elves just as fast as humans...

"Um well, anyway under the guidance of those two small ones, the wall was build in no time at all..." The man finished. the one that looked like a boy wove to them as it probably heard them talking about the,,. or at least saw the humans staring in their direction. The masked girl tried to hide behind her staff, almost liek she was shy.

"Have they attacked at all?" Remedios asked baffled by this event.

"No, not a single attack... the only time they would fight is if we tried to harass their building efforts. However, as soon as we left them alone, they never crossed that grass line," the line he spoke of was a 30-foot long clearing before the wall of man so that the jungle wasn't encroaching and giving cover so close to it.

"With their elevation, they could easily rain down arrows or what have you, but they don't they only mock and taunt us... it's a little frustrating actually." The ranger with a green hood said. The squire neia in the back was trying to stay hidden from her father. Not because she didn't want to see him but because he would stop what he's doing and ignore Remedios just to run over and hug her... in front of everyone.

Neia would talk privately with her father when the time was right, they had just gotten to the wall after all.

"Neia?" A mans voice suddenly called out... crap! he'd seen her! And as predicted her ran past Remedios, almost rudely to greet his daughter. He grabbed her and picked her up.

"My beautiful daughter! how are you! I'm so glad..." he was doting on her in front of everyone, she had to put an end to this.

"Dad... stop!" She said turning red as the paladins, except Remedios, laughed at the cute display of father-daughter affection.

"Pavel Baraja, I appreciate you haven't seen your kin in some time, but could you please finish giving us your report?" Remedios asked annoyed. Pavels face returned to it's usual stoic nature as he turned, regrettably, from his daughter.

"Well, there isn't a whole lot else to report Paladin Custodio," they built a wall... and there it is." he said pointing to the large object that cast a huge shadow in the midday sun.

"I don't want to return with "they have a wall" after a month of travel Ranger... is there anything else you can tell me?" Pavel just shrugged.

"You should talk to one of the small ones... they are children form their voices and also willing to talk to us." Remedios's eyes went wide...

"Willing to talk? About what?"

"They want an all-out war... they said it would be to both our nations benefit if we marched every last soldier we have here for one big battle... wall to wall as it were." Pabel explained, but all this was in the report he sent to the capital, but it was fine as Remedios did not have the reputation for being..."smart."

"Anything else?" Pavel laughed.

"Yeah, said something about surrender... but you can guess what the conditions of that were." Pavel said looking at Neia and smiling, she just looked away.

"what if we try and take the elves hostage under the guise of talking? Could we use them as leverage maybe?" To this question, every posted guard let out a loud laugh. Remedios looked around confused.

"Paladin Custodio... those "children" could probably drop this wall right now if they wanted to... the girl alone has used magic that... quite frankly, should not exist. And the little boy, we've seen him jump from the very top of the wall and land on the ground like it was nothing... no Paladin Custodio... attacking those two would be the worst thing we could do." he explained gravely.

"What are you talking about? Their just children!" She rebuked.

"Yes... children that can do this..." He said as he quickly pulled out an arrow, knocked it in his magical bow and fired a shot at the little bow. the masked boy suddenly pulled out a bow of his own and shot Pavel's arrow out of the air with his, easily.

"it's a game we've been playing these past few weeks." Remedios ignored the incredible display of skill she'd just witnessed.

"Game? You've been playing games here? What..." She was about to go on a tirade but he stopped her.

"May I remind you, Paladin Custodio, that as of right now, the wall is under my supervision! And will contuine to be until my relief arrives, meaning as long as you stand on this wood structure, you would do well to respect me properly" he said scowling at the paladin who technically did outrank him, but here at this moment, as he pointed out. Remedios stormed away taking some stairs to go back to the horses. Neia secretly was jumping into her father's arms, seeing her put in her lace like that made the sore butt from riding all week worth it!

A raven suddenly flew to Pavel, it was a messenger raven... he took the piece of paper from the bird's leg and his eyes went wide as he read it several times. The other guards and paladins waited patiently to see what he would say.

"The entire capital of the Re-Estize capital is... gone... without a trace, some kind of magic was used... and they say the "Demihuman chief" is to blame..." he said out loud, still not believing what he heard.

"What? A demihuman spirited away all the people int he capital?"

"No... the entire city, itself is gone... there's just a giant hole where the capital used to be..." the commotion this caused was understandable.

"So... are we... next?" Neia asked worriedly. Pavel looked at her and frowned, her beautiful face should never frown he thought.

"I don't know... but if this Airxeen is our opponent... the Holy Kingdom is doomed," he said gravely. Neia ran after Remedios to tell her what had happened but did not see her, where did she go? Suddenly they hear her bellow out, from the wrong side of the fence.

"I WISH TO SPEAK WITH THE ONES WHO BUILT THIS WALL!" All the humans were looking at her in disbelief, she even already had her holy sword drawn! What was she thinking! The small worker in mask and white and red suit jumped off the wall with incredible dexterity, landing from the near 30 foot drop effortlessly like it was nothing. She made a weird hand gesture at her before walking up to meet Remedios. He wove kindly at Remedios, who just sneered back.

"You are the ones that built this wall?" She asked. The masked boy nodded.

"Yup! you like it? the demihumans don't make good builders, but they obey orders well enough." He said in a voice that sounded more like a girls voice.

"Are you their leader?' Remedios asked gripping her sword tightly, if this child said "yes" Remedios would attack it with all her might... this clearly was not a child, just a short Demihuman or maybe demon even!

"Naw, our only job is to build this wall and let you guys know we want to have a big fight, not some long drawn out campaign that we would easily win... if you do this we promise not to kill a single child or woman... just the ones who come to fight will be targeted, no innocence!" the boy with a girls voice said laughing. The girl above them called out

"It really is a good deal um, Miss Paladin... and we mean it too!" Remedios wondered what her deal was, maybe the lover of the boy she talked to now? Remedios scoffed openly in the face of the boy she talked to.

"Why would we believe you?" She asked the boy just shrugged.

"Don't care if you do or not, it will just be easier for you all to do this, or else we'll just starve your cities out. So do whatever you want lady!" the boy said turning his back to Remedios. it was an opening... she might never get a shot like this again! The humans watched in terror as Remedios leaped at the back of the child, bringing her sword down at the defenseless head of the walking away boy.

"WHAT?" Suddenly Remedios was holding a normal branch, like attack a child would use to fight with. And boy was holding her holy sword in his hands looking at it through the blue smiling mask.

"Naw... pretty crappy sword if you ask me... why were you trying to show me this? it's not very impressive..." He said. there was a collective sigh of relief when they realize she was choosing to not recognize Remedios's attack as a hostile action.

"Well... thanks for the gift! maybe I'll give it to my dragon!" the boy said walking away with Remedios's sword and laughing, putting in her belt. Remedios stood stunned holding the branch in her hands, it shook as she realized she'd just lost her nations national treasure to a demon!

"Paladin Custodio that was..." Pavel yelled at her as she returned to her wall in shame and defeat, she simply walked past him not recognizing his rebuke. Pavel just sighed in frustration nd sent a messenger raven, informing them of Remedios's actions and what it had cost. He also implored them to send everyman to this wall, as once it fell there would be no stopping the flood of death that would pour through into The Holy Kingdom. He looked at his daughter with a heavy heart thinking of her in battle... it did not sit well with him...

On the other side of the Demihumans wall, a [GATE] portal opened up and Pero and Shalltear walked through into the fort Aura had constructed with help of Demihuman workers. Aura and Mare were waiting for him.

"Welcome to wall you asked me to build for you master Jin!" Aura said smiling. She'd taken to calling him by his human name, she was the only one who did this...

"Nice! i've been wanting to see it... and it's great Aura, oh you too Mare, great work getting the Demihumans to follow you. They both had their masks off so he could see Aura smile and mare blush.

"Master Peroroncino... do you have it?" Mare asked timidly, Jin smiled and showed mare the necklace that danged around Jin's neck, it was a perfect pink stone with a little city inside of it. their eyes lit up when they saw it.

"One of the twenty!" Mare said in awe.

"Yeah, but I'll probably lose it once Momonga "rescues" this city and sets it free... the "use" of the item will be finished once they leave it's, effect" he said clicking his tongue, Momonga must be freaking out at the prospect of losing this World item... oh well... Jin valued innocent life over physical objects, even one of a kind ones... Momonga and Demiurge would just have to deal with that fact, he wasn't going to change on this matter, no matter how many people complain about it.

"What kind of world did you make for them?" Mare asked. Jin swung the necklace back and forth playfully.

"One they won't want to leave... so I hope she enjoys the world I built for her..." Aura tilted her head to the side a bit.

"She?" He laughed at her cute confused expression.

"Don't worry about it, moreover... whats with that sword?" Jin asked noticing the weird blade Aura had in her belt.

"Some weird woman wanted to show me this sword, so i took it and decided to give it to my dragon.

"MY DRAGON!" Jinj exclaimed remembering Kilistran Denshusha who'd just been sitting by herself this whole time.

"Shalltear can you..." He was beginning but she was already casting [GATE].

"Yes Lord Peroroncino, I shall fetch your dragon for you." Shalltear said bowing then coming back with a large Frost Dragon from anther [GATE] cast. Jin cast [POLYMORPH] on her, making her human and much more comfortable in this small room, she gave no mind to the fact that she was naked.

"Hello Lord Jin!" She exclaimed and bowing, she showed no signs of annoyance for being forgotten about.

"Hey Kilstran, long time no see." She blinked.

"Was it? a few weeks to me is not much time at all..." He nodded, it made sense to a (near?) immortal creature, he wasn't sure.

"Okay, so all my forces are gathered here for the big event... we just need to have Momonga resue the capital city from me... a feat that should gain him even more reputation." Jin nodded in satisfaction.
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Final results of your EURO 2016 predictions!

Hello again,
You might remember my previous thread presenting the votes for the EURO 2016 predictions. I've finally found time to sit down and look at match results as well as odds, and I find the results quite interesting.
This time I interpreted your predictions very strictly, and always counted the largest percentage as your collective bet. I did so because I'm still testing the waters, and I believe it's best to keep things simple at first. The last match (Belgium vs Italy) is unique however, because it received an equal amount of votes for home and draw. I therefore counted it as a 1X bet.
As you can see from the table below, a 1 unit investment in every collective prediction would give a 1.1 unit return profit. The odds used were found at OddsPortal.
Fixture Votes (1) Votes (X) Votes (2) Result 1 unit return
France vs Romania 99% 1% 0% 2-1 1.37
Albania vs Switzerland 3% 21% 76% 0-1 1.91
Wales vs Slovakia 44% 40% 39% 2-1 3.08
England vs Russia 69% 27% 4% 1-1 0
Turkey vs Croatia 21% 40% 39% 0-1 0
Poland vs Northern Ireland 79% 16% 5% 1-0 1.78
Germany vs Ukraine 96% 4% 0% 2-0 1.52
Spain vs Czech Republic 93% 5% 2% 1-0 1.44
Ireland vs Sweden 8% 42% 50% 1-1 0
Belgium vs Italy 39% 39% 22% 0-2 0
10 units return: 11.1
Although it's a small profit, I see it as a promising start, and look forward to further testing with different teams and more participants. Next time around I'll be using a different platform for the voting, so as to be able to gather more votes.
Feel free to ask questions.
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Final results of your EURO 2016 predictions! [x-post /r/soccerbetting]

Hello again,
You might remember my previous thread presenting the votes for the EURO 2016 predictions. I've finally found time to sit down and look at match results as well as odds, and I find the results quite interesting.
This time I interpreted your predictions very strictly, and always counted the largest percentage as your collective bet. I did so because I'm still testing the waters, and I believe it's best to keep things simple at first. The last match (Belgium vs Italy) is unique however, because it received an equal amount of votes for home and draw. I therefore counted it as a 1X bet.
As you can see from the table below, a 1 unit investment in every collective prediction would give a 1.1 unit return. The odds used were found at OddsPortal.
Fixture Votes (1) Votes (X) Votes (2) Result 1 unit return
France vs Romania 99% 1% 0% 2-1 1.37
Albania vs Switzerland 3% 21% 76% 0-1 1.91
Wales vs Slovakia 44% 40% 39% 2-1 3.08
England vs Russia 69% 27% 4% 1-1 0
Turkey vs Croatia 21% 40% 39% 0-1 0
Poland vs Northern Ireland 79% 16% 5% 1-0 1.78
Germany vs Ukraine 96% 4% 0% 2-0 1.52
Spain vs Czech Republic 93% 5% 2% 1-0 1.44
Ireland vs Sweden 8% 42% 50% 1-1 0
Belgium vs Italy 39% 39% 22% 0-2 0
10 units return: 11.1
Although it's a small profit, I see it as a promising start, and look forward to further testing with different teams and more participants. Next time around I'll be using a different platform for the voting, so as to be able to gather more votes.
Feel free to ask questions.
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It was nearly a year ago and nearing the end of spring, June 1st to be exact. There was a big rooftop pool party called Intervention happening in downtown San Diego; I had recently become unemployed and needed to get some of life’s troubles off my mind. I had never been to an event like this before, so really, this was the perfect outlet for me. I had close friends who worked for one of the promotion companies running the event. They had me signed on as an employee so that I could forego admissions and join them at their table with no questions asked. This was no skin off their bones, as an event like this was just an average day if you worked in the industry. But I never worked in the industry before, so from my perspective, this was fucking awesome. We had a room on the top floor of the Hard Rock Hotel, which was overlooking the entire party. The crowd I had accompanied was a reckless bunch; at times, they were as loud as the DJs on stage. And when they weren't giving the party-goers down below champagne showers, they were doing copious amounts of drugs in the room. It was quite the spectacle to behold actually; I honestly did not think anything could divert my attention from these blatant acts of debauchery.
And then she walked in.
I won’t lie. I didn't care to notice her at first. From a glance, she looked just like all the other attractive women that were spread throughout the venue. I swept the thought of a possible conversation out of my mind, and instead decided to add another shot of whiskey to my tally. After pouring more Jameson down my throat, I took a much wanted cigarette break out on the balcony. I was alone for only a few minutes before she came out and asked for one of my patented death sticks.
This is when our eyes met for the first time.
I was blown away. Never before have I been so captivated by another person's gaze; the irises in her eyes were like rare gemstones, as if those tiny orbs of astounding color could only be found at the gateway of Shangri-La. Her line of sight sliced me in half like a diamond cutter as she scanned my body vertically, most likely judging the loud Hawaiian shirt and bright orange chubbies I had worn for the occasion. My eyes, however, were still fixated on hers, totally locked in place; it got to the point where I had to manually sever the connection before it turned into a creepy stare. And just when I thought my interactions with her were at an end, she did something unexpected: she opened up to me.
She introduced herself. Asked me where I was from. Oddly enough, we had found out that she already knew my fraternal twin brother, Drew, as well as a couple of my other friends. I was taken aback by how comfortable we were talking to each other. It was like I was living a scene out of one of those movies where the shy recluse becomes best friends with the social butterfly. I simply could not believe it. I remember thinking to myself, "my dreams usually don't make it this far."
After our small introduction on the balcony, I took her to meet a few of my friends. We exchanged phone numbers and I asked what her plans were for the rest of the event. The group that she came with had a table near the stage, so she was going to make her way towards them. I suggested that I tag along. I not only wanted to meet her friends, but I thought she was cool and I wanted to get to know her more. I still wonder to this very day what caused me to grow a pair and ask her. I tell myself that it was my subconscious signaling to me that this girl was special, but I'm almost certain it was the liquid courage sitting in my gut that pushed me forward.
When we hit ground level, I got to meet her crew. Her friends were, by no surprise, as chill as she was, and I found myself making a few more friends than I expected that day. The event was coming to a close, and she asked if I wanted to meet her at the after party, which was being hosted at a nearby club. I had no cash on me; I was dead broke. But at the same time, I had to go to this after party. Nothing would stop me. So I did what any man would, and asked for a small loan from the friend that I came to the show with. I received his blessings on the mission I was about to embark on, and proceeded to the club.
This, I will admit, is when I began doubting myself for the first time. Was this girl for real? Was I making a good decision? Or was I just digging myself into a hole, in which the only way out was several shots of whiskey and a disappointing ride home?
Those doubts turned to dust the second I got her phone call. She was wondering where I was. I walked in. The door was slow to shut behind me, and the day's light cease to be as it was overtaken by the dark-red interior of the club. Everyone was still in their pool party attire, though it was clear that this was not the type of audience the establishment was used to. They had go-go dancers in cages. The bottle girls were clad in their incredibly revealing uniforms, paying no attention to the howling, drooling hounds while they served bottles and drinks to their assigned tables. The most shocking piece I saw was the large aquarium they had placed in the middle of the club, reserved only for the people dumb enough to want to sit in a culmination of everyone's sweat and filth.
I found her floating around the dance floor like a dandelion caught in a breeze, gliding gently from one table to the next; you never knew where she would land. She had such a unique personality; you didn’t have to know her long to realize that she had the freest of spirits. Deep down, I knew that nothing could tie down that ego of hers; it resembled something wild, a legendary black stallion that countless men have given up trying to break or tame. One would even say it was the only thing capable of eclipsing her unequivocal beauty. We spent the rest of our time at the club drinking and dancing. We continued this for hours and I didn’t want it to end. The absence of light took away my ability to tell the time from my surroundings, and before I could spend another dime, the party was over.
We walked outside to the warm night air and an evening that was by all accounts still young. It appeared as though we had our fair share of fun. Most would have put the epic day to rest. But I had other plans. I suggested that we take a cab back to my place, and she coolly replied that she already had that in mind. You can bet your top dollar I had the door to the cab opened before she could turn around and finish her next thought.
The taxi must have fallen into several portals on the way back, the ride took so long. I saw this as an opportunity. So I swallowed my pride and attempted what took me an entire day to muster up the courage to do. I kissed her. Her lips were soft, softer than any that I ever had kissed before. But best of all, they were accepting. Each one of her exquisite features would glow upon the passing of each street light. If I had been in ancient Greece, I would have thought I was in the presence of the goddess Aphrodite herself.
The ride was over, yet we were still locked in a comforting embrace, one that was neither too passive nor aggressive. We both knew what we wanted out of the night; the understanding was mutual - there was no rush to get to the finish line. I paid the driver his dues and apologized for the romantic movie we had been making in the back seat of his car. We both stumbled into the house, abrupt with laughter and not giving any fucks about the roommates sleeping upstairs. Any other woman in previous situations would have gone straight for the bed, and that would have been that. But no, not her. She plopped herself on the couch as if it were her own and pointed directly at the Xbox 360 I had set up in the living room.
“Do you wanna play FIFA, or Call of Duty?” she asked.
I felt my jaw drop to the floor.
I hesitated to answer her, I was in such shock. I took a good ten seconds to reflect and ask myself: who on Earth was this woman that I brought home? No matter. I tossed the question to the side, lest I lose the opportunity to show her my video game might. We logged into FIFA and started playing together online. I have met plenty of girls that know how to play video games, so I wasn't totally surprised; but the thing that really impressed me was her knowledge of soccer. We won our first and only glorious game before switching over to Call of Duty. She took control of my headset so she could talk trash to everyone I was killing on the battlefield. For the child in me, this was the epitome of happiness: a beautiful woman supporting me while I take on the world from my couch.
But the night was soon coming to an end, so when the games were over, we moved across the living room into my bed. I am not one to kiss and tell, so I won’t. But even if I was, I wouldn’t be able to find the words to describe it.
The next morning was something else. The sun had breached the shades of the sliding glass door, just enough for it to splash my face with its warmth. I remember just lying there, feeling proud, with both hands behind my head. It wasn’t the sex I was feeling so smug about. It was something much more complex than that. I hadn’t know this girl for more than twelve hours, yet I already knew that this wasn’t going to be the last time I saw her.
But I still had my doubts. Amongst my friends, I have been dubbed the king of one-night stands. It's true, I don't have the same experience with relationships as most men and women do by my age. Some people still praise the fact that I have managed to stay single for so long. Does that make me a happy man? Not in the slightest, for I have always been a hopeless romantic. It's not that I kick women out of my life once I sleep with them, that couldn't be further from the truth. They just... fade away. And this is what worried me most: that this fallen angel beside me would just become another notch on a belt that I didn't want to wear.
Alas, she had awoken from her deep slumber, the lines from the pillow creases still present on her face. Hair going in every direction, this way and that. When she was finally able to open her eyes, she smiled at me, and suddenly, all of those worries I had minutes before seemed to just evaporate from my mind. We must have gotten lost in time, because it was already past noon. I didn't want to take her home. I was hungover and already fully committed to an entire day in my bed, so I let another hour pass by. But eventually, the gentleman in me took control, and he decided it was time to take her back. I dropped her off at her house and watched as she made her way into her house, and after I knew the job was done, I drove off. Throughout the entire ride home I hoped, that someday, somehow, we would be reunited again.
A year has yet to pass since that fateful encounter. I would never have guessed that the woman I met that day would mean so much to me. But don't let my emotion of my words deceive you. We are not lovers. We are not in a relationship. We are friends. And that's the way it has been. In all honesty, I think it worked out better that way. She has taught me so much more as my friend: like how to have the emotional fortitude of a mountain, to stay strong and never waver, no matter how much you lose in this world. With each conversation we had came a new piece to the puzzle. We put them together, bit by bit, unveiling who we truly were behind the scenes; constantly learning more about each other as the months went by.
Her understanding of who I am as a person is unlike anything I have encountered before. Over the course of our friendship, I had completely opened myself up to her. She could have taken advantage of it, as so many have in the past. But instead, she took it as an opportunity to console her fellow man. She was the first person who told me how hard it is 'to be a man who wears his heart on his sleeve', and how strong of an individual it must take to accept that about oneself. This wasn't all smoke and mirrors. She genuinely meant what she was saying. I know this, because she too knew what it was like to have a heart so vulnerable.
I will be truthful. There were times when I felt my heart bleed for her; for every king has his moments of weakness, and even he cannot predict when they will arise. I had given her a necklace, bracelets, even one of the shirts off my back, in hopes that maybe they will remind her of the man she met long ago. I had written letters that will never be read, simply because I was too scared to send them. I am terrified at the idea of losing her to my emotions. Hell, I still have trouble keeping the butterflies in my stomach at bay every time I see her. She had warned me before about the dangers of falling for her, and I promised myself I would never be 'one of those guys': the kind of guy that was obsessed with her, or someone who wanted her to settle down. The truth of the matter is, I love my best friend. I really do. Some of my colleagues call me delusional, saying things like “the line between 'best friends' and 'just friends' is two letters thick”. Only a few could ever understand the relationship that I have with her. I didn't want a fuck buddy. I didn't want a girlfriend. I desired a best friend: someone who could talk to me through my darkest days and still have the freedom to be herself. After all, it was her uncontainable soul that I fell for in the first place.
If you asked me where we stand now, I wouldn't know what to tell you. Our lives have been hectic and so full of change, it's hard to imagine whether or not things will ever be how they were in the beginning. I can't change that. We have so much of life left to experience; who knows where we both will be at the end of another year. But, I do have control over something, and that is being the best friend I can for her.
It's such a cliché to say, “well if you really love her, you'll let her go”. But I refuse to let go. And it is not because I hope that someday she'll come around. No. It's simple. It is based in what I believe, and I believe that she came into my life for a reason: to show me the beauty in life and death, to push me toward greater heights, to test my deepest emotions, and to remind me to never stop chasing after my dreams... but most of all, she was there to show me that there is at least one person that can love me as much as I love them.
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