Wall of text, doing as much for my own thinking as anything else
TL:DR- Did China send infected testing kits to Iran and Italy, and false negative kits since? Deliberate or just crooks? Has this caused unnecessary over reactions globally? why aren't cities or countries already going dark from COVID? The billionaires and non political leaders are strangely silent. The world has fired all its bullets. If this comes back there is no next time. Could something emerge from those ashes?
HOW COULD CHINA HAVE POSSIBLY CONTAINED THIS?
How did Wuhan get it, but Shanghai, Beijing, Guangzhou & Shenzhen etc did not. It is impossible. So the possible outcomes are either
- It is just not that contagious.
- Plenty of Chinese in those cities did get it and a few million might have died but overall it is not that bad
- Chinese got it and all were secretly inoculated
- They have yet to get it, and when they come outdoors it will eventually break out
WHY IRAN AND ITALY UNLIKE EVERYWHERE ELSE
The BIG question which makes little sense is this is how did Italy and Iran get it so bad, so fast, but nowhere else has had a similar explosion
It does not seem probably that Italy and Iran were that close in time to Wuhan, but the rest of Italy and the world were that far behind them, and it is yet to happen
WHY ARE CRUISE SHIPS SUCH PETRI DISHES FOR THIS?
Cruise ships have been a ground zero. In Australia we were in lock-down and in late March, after the lock-downs they let the Ruby Princess just unload passengers at Circular Quay,. It was known at least 7 people had the virus, and ships were a petri dish, and yet late one night someone opened the gangplank and over 2000 people just walked off into the night. At least a few hundred of them we now know have the virus. Anyone who knows Australia’s border security and quarantine, and immigration, knows this just doesn’t happen. How did they get at least 20 people to stand back and let those people disembark
PATHETIC PROTECTION PRACTICES THAT ACCELERATED THIS- NEGLIGENCE OR DELIBERATE?
Some international travelers who returned to Australia in early March, before the lock-downs, were found to be super spreaders- but the people they infect don’t seem to be super spreaders which makes little sense. In Australia we had multiple instances of people returning from USA, 1 went to a wedding in Hunter Valley upon arrival and infected 31 of the 51 people there. Another went to a 50th in Noosa and similar spreading, another landed from Aspen went to a party in Melbourne and similar infection rates. So how is this happening, and why are those hundred people similarly not infecting on a mass basis?
Now we aren’t testing much in Australia. Lack of kits and what’s the point- if you have normal cold symptoms just lock in at home and ride it out until you feel better. If a 70+ year old Prince Charles can recover in a few days why overwhelm health facilities over nothing and risk nothing more than spreading the infection on right. (So it is “just like a cold then, right?”)
MAKING SENSE OF INACCURATE DATA THAT CONFUSES AND CONTRADICTS
It has now been long enough that those people should have similarly infected people on mass. Yet they haven’t. Unless you want to think a huge number of people in Australia already have it. But that can’t be- if so then this appears to be a con, and why are we bankrupting millions of people and risking our economies to prevent this? It doesn’t make sense.
So how did Italy spread like wildfire but pretty well just stop in the local area. Iran similar.
Now enough data is out that we can see most of those who died in Italy were the old, poor health, the air quality. male, smokers, multiple other conditions. We have perhaps 2% (confirm) who die with COVID where it can’t be attributed to multiple other underlying health conditions, and their cause of death is being put within the COVID death tally
So why is Rome not disintegrating and their death rate beyond control? Do we not think those people in the north did not travel to Rome and it spread there before anyone figured out what was going on up North and they started to distance/ quarantine? No way that didn’t happen
The data we are so far seeing is a blip. If UK lost 57,000 in its last bad flu season, let’s call that 4 months, that’s what, 3,000 people dying from it in a week during the season. 10,000, 50,000, 100,000…1million dead WITH this worldwide would not be unusual
And why have we not seen countries with huge density and poor sanitary conditions just explode? More people travel from Wuhan to Thailand than travel to Northern Italy
How did NYC act as an epicentre but LA, Disneyland, Chicago, San Fran- other high urban and ultra high-contact business districts. Why are they weeks behind NYC?
Why has a Nigeria not gone dark? They have 1 slum with 10 million people living in mud, occupying an area 10x10km. Or Sao Paolo? Or India. (They’re going to die from food riots before COVID) And Indonesia- 1 mosque has 150,000 people in it these places are ground zero for mass fast transmission. Or Manilla. Or Bangkok. Infection through ordinary passenger and people movement in these cities must have seen those cities infect up light years ahead of Northern Italy did.
THE ONLY PLAUSIBLE EXPLANATION I CAN SEE TO WHY ITALY/ IRAN INFECTED SO HARD AND SLOW EVERYWHERE ELSE
When this first appeared in Italy and Iran as a new virus that hospitals needed to test for, testing kits WERE sent from China them and these kits WERE infected. It appears that this is what massively accelerated the spike in those 2 locations, and why Bangkok, Manilla, NYC, Rome etc have been a slot burn of person to person low level and accumulation infection.
We will probably find that the Shenzhen company that sent those kits also sent them to parts of France, UK and Spain explaining their high initial deaths
Whether this was deliberate remains to be seen. I am a hard core conspiracy lover from way back, but I can see that this could have simply been more dirty crooked Chinese businesses and this one just really fucked us all good.
ODD ASPECTS OF IT- WHERE ARE THE PEOPLE AND THE BODIES?
There is so limited footage anywhere in the world showing hospitals and medical centres that appear to have any sense of emergency. Perhaps everyone is out the back and all other things aren’t happening. No kids are in the park falling off a skateboard, no one driving having an accident therefore COVID is the only stuff happening in hospitals and it is “out the back”. That’s entirely plausible
No testing happening- too much footage of empty testing facilities around the world. This is very odd. You'll see a lot of this soon
Only 1 footage of body bags in a NYC hospital – eerie but not proof of anything
RUMOURS OF HOW COVID WORKS AND IMPACTS
- It is suggested by some that Asian men have a DNA difference that makes them more susceptible
- It is suggested males who recover become sterile
- It is suggested if you recover your lungs are effed.
- It is suggested that you are not immune and will be worse the next time it comes back
- There is too little data to really know any of this
But there is a MASSIVE VACUUM of factual information- how is it that we see footage of and hear of people walking and just dropping dead. What is COVID doing that causes that if that is really happening?
It is suggested that if you get coughed on, or a small exposure, it’s not much- that’s a cold you just caught and just got 10 units of “it”. If so this could explains why for most people it really is a non issue, a mild cold. That could explain how someone like Peter Dutton or Boris Johnson got it but his wife and kids who live shoulder to shoulder in a house and car etc did not catch it
Some suggest there are super spreaders, they are carrying say a “10,000 load”. According to some they may only be capable of passing on a 100 infection load say, And that person might give off a 10 load and so on
What the emerging data does show is that Nurses and Doctors may be the ones in real trouble. They are being repeatedly exposed to asymptomatics with say 10 units, and over and over and they are building up to a 500 or 5000 themselves. This appears to be a slow burn for them and one to really watch for. (When enough of them decide they aren’t going to work we’re in a world of trouble)
THE SHUTDOWNS ARE NECESSARY BECAUSE THEY ALL CAN’T BE THAT DUMB TO DO THAT IF IT WASN’T A REAL CRISIS
Well yes they can be that dumb. Often leaders are just narcissists who ran the system such that they end up in a position of power and we defer leadership to them not on their ability but they occupy a chair. Their decisions are usually based on what is hoped to be good advice from people who lack information and just see what counterparts elsewhere are doing. It’s often a giant circle jerk and they are relying on little, poor, weak and false information.
Watching WHO backflip since January should be enough for you to know that they are bought and owned and incompetent in this. Their information have been shown to be false repeatedly. You watch, they’ll tell us we need to wear masks now.
DOGS THAT DON’T BARK
People on this sub know that it isn’t the dogs that bark that are the problem. It’s the dogs that don’t bark. Consider this, think of alllll the non-political leaders around the world. Those who are the captains of industry, the super leaders and super wealthy, Warren Buffet, Richard Branson, each country has them. “Philanthropists” and futurists. Well apparently this is an existential crisis. Billions are afraid for their health and livelihoods, their ability to earn money and provide for their families. It has now gone on long enough that our lives and world will change massively. In the meantime, fear, anxiety, depression, domestic violence, alcoholism, child abuse will explode. Where are they? Where are the great futurists? Where is Elon Musk? Where is Jeff Bezos? Where is Bill Gates? Don't say they are running their empire and its in crisis- they have multiple CEOs do that for them
Ask yourself where are the billionaires and people standing up in your nation saying we need to come together and build community and local digital and physical support networks? I don’t know why but we are being deliberately isolated from each other, physically and psychologically. All of the global elite have gone to ground. Those dogs are too silent
THERE IS A REASON THEY ARE STAYING SILENT.
My observation is that they either know something and are deliberately staying out of this, or they are truly corrupt and believe this will blow over and keeping their cash dry to buy investments for cents in the dollar
Whatever is happening they appear to know *something*. These people are such psychopaths, narcissists and ego trippers that they just can’t resist in moments like this
There’s a reason they have gone to ground. Maybe they are just ugly without stylists and botox. Maybe it is lack or that adrenochrome, maybe they’re all in NZ. I have no idea. But I smell a ~~rat~~ **bat**
YOU SAW A LIST OF ALL THOSE TOP 500 CEOS RESIGNING
There’s 500 of them and let’s say they stay on average 4 years in the job, that’s 10 a month ordinarily resigning. Keep moving
But it is undeniable that those US politicians on the inside of this saw something a few months ago and sold stocks and bought others. (In principle they should be on the end of a rope for this)
TIMING IMPACTS/ SURROUNDING EVENTS
Would any of the following have affected the timing of this?
Happened Right after Hong Kong elections, Right after Taiwan Elections, Right after Chinese New Year, Right after Northern Hemisphere comes out of its flu season period, right after Davos?
ANTI CHINA SENTIMENT WILL FORCE CHINA'S HAND INTO SOMETHING
You watch, in the next few weeks there will be an explosion of anti-china sentiment. Buy Australian, America First, British Businesses First. The problem is we have sucked so hard on the China nipple that we will starve if Mother Xi takes it out. You want to see half the universities in UK, Australia and Canada close down- just watch. All they have to do is say fine, we won’t buy your wool, or your coal, or iron ore. In Australia’s case it would FINISH us. Overnight. Never mind our dollar should fall to USD$0.40 after the printing we’ve announced it will fall to US$0.20.
Too many instances of Chines people around the world doing weird things to spread an infection- if they had it, licking things – admittedly probably just mentally ill people but it feeds into the anti china hate
People will turn on China and governments will need a scapegoat for the taxes that will come to pay for this. IF China did this deliberately to destabilise and kill or conquer the West or if they are just innocent victims of crooked businessmen and their pride prevented them from admitting that we’ll see I guess
SO WHAT WILL HAPPEN?
It all Depends on whether it was a State Sponsored plan to destroy economies and destabilise them for whatever objective, or if it was just more crooked Chinese businesses who’s factories sent infected testing kits, and false negative testing kits, and falsely labelled fake-masks (Google fake baby formula, fake eggs, fake condoms, etc). This is entirely plausible as would be a cover up in China of that - the face thing Chinese need to grow up and get over.
WHAT DO I THINK?
I have no idea. Here is what I think I know
- Everyone lies
- Govts will bankrupt 10 generations to keep people happy tomorrow
- Govts are utterly incompetent
- We are relying on beurocrats and public servants to deliver us from evil. The problem is they have jobs for life and pensions for life. They are incapable of being objective in this
- We have no reason to trust China- Chinese businesses and the Chinese government
- India has 2 weeks or it will go dark. Not from the virus but from food insecurity. First the 2 x religions will turn on each other in small locations, then there will be a wave of exodus for protection, then people will see the govt will not be able to deliver the food, and then the place goes up in smoke
- If this is shown to be a false alarm- there was an unintended/ deliberate infection into Iran and Italy, and unintended spread through false negatives, and a few super spreaders distorted, people who have lost things, like their business, will be pissed off. Casino’s will be the some of the first places to be lit up
- There are too many silent dog
OR
This is deliberate and we are all fucked.
IS THERE AN ILLUMINATI IN CONTROL?
Perhaps. But we have now seen that these NSA, FBI, CIA KGB, Mossad etc intelligence agencies were a myth all along. That anyone with half a functining brain left them and went into private business and the only people left there are zealots, dinosaurs and losers. We know this because they have information but showed no intelligence - none of them saw this or protected against it. No country secretly stockpiled PPEs and Ventilators. Instead it looks like they bought faulty shit from China that fucked them well and good, with economies on the edge of an abyss if a jolt to the system happened during this crisis
BILLIONS IN THEIR HOMES, FIRST TIME IN HISTORY, ON LINES, SEARCHING FOR SOMETHING- WILL SOMEONE REVEAL THEMSELVES?
If there was a god, a magician, a healer, an ET, a UFO, a time traveler, a reptilian overlord, a simulation programmer from the 25th century well, now is their window to reveal themselves.
Don’t hold your breath, if they are holding back because they somehow know this goes pear shaped then if it is pear shaped no one will be on line to witness their majesty. Their window is closing daily
THE POWERS THAT BE WILL NOT LET US OUT SOON ENOUGH TO REHIRE AND GET THE ECONOMY MOVING BACK TO WHAT IT WAS
Our economies have been so wrecked that the politicians now need this to be bad to make it justifiable
Their best hope is many thousands dead and they can claim the line was not breached they flattened the wave and we can thank and re-elect them, it was all necessary. The cure was worth the price
As soon as they take the foot off the brake and we come out of our little ice igloos and someone gets an infection they have to shut the economy and travel and movement down again.
Governments and police forces NEVER hand back power given to them…EVER. And we have conditioned ourselves to them
The cure WILL be worse than the cold, so to say
IT IS INEVITABLE THAT WE ALL NEED TO BE INFECTED WITH THIS
>75% of us need to become infected and immune from this before we can resume any sort of global normal. Borders cannot open for mass travel until then.
Expect rolling infections. They will move medical personnel and supplies zone by zone and turn it from Red to Green. Then you can have your microchip that proves you are not infected. Or a bracelet if you prefer
I am not particularly a deep ended NWO ZOG 666 believer, but I cannot see how this will not be an eventuality. They simply will not allow global travel if they open the doors and this breaks out again. We will have already seen airlines and travel industry go out of business. It can’t happen again. No green check mark, no travel. (And this explains the silence and absence of Bill Gates by the way)
HOW CAN I TELL WHETHER IT WAS A CON OR A REAL?
There cannot be a nation that does_not_go dark because of this. There HAS to be a country that smashes the line, Shit even if it were a TB or whooping cough outbreak, something, somewhere, very soon. If it doesn’t then we have been had. And if we have been had then there was a reason. And we are all inside. Isolated. Relying on the govt to eat, and when we are allowed to leave our homes to buy food. With dogs that aren’t barking. It was a set up. For some reason. In 2020 just like they said
REAL THREATS IN THE MEANTIME
- The internet going down
- China blocking supply of Tungsten (the most critical raw material on earth and 90% of it comes from China)
- Someone spikes a local water supply
- A few interconnectors go down sending a city dark
- That this really is a slow burn thing and the nurses and doctors get ill and don’t turn up
THERE’S ALWAYS A SAVIOR WHO WILL OFFER HOPE
Whoever offers the best solution in or from this- he’s probably the master villain in all this
ILLUMINATI, 666, NWO, FREEMASONS, ZOG, REPTILES, ICKE, SKULL&BONES
- I guess here we are there aren’t we. The world can be tipped one way or the other and it will happen now in COVID or in the next type of COVID. Just like the starship enterprise in a battle our global shields are down to 20%- we can’t do another bailout, or rescue, we’ve fired all our photons and those that are on order for future delivery. We’ve spent our global pennies and we better hope it works
- If anyone stands up and offers us a solution it can will demonstrate if there really ever was a hidden hand of apron wearing, cult chanting overlords pulling strings behind the scenes after all
- That’s something
WE ARE 100% EXPENDABLE AND ON OUR OWN IN THIS
- Individually you are 100% on your own in this, No one is coming to help you. Your police will even arrest you if you step out of line or don’t line up for your sedative
- Media, politicians, police, military, sportspeople, business leaders, they all exist to serve themselves, at your expense and that is never been more apparent than now
- Sadly there is probably not much we can do. We are all tiny cogs in a big charade. Of incompetence or design.
WHAT WILL BE THE OUTCOMES
- Our masters will have more power and they will not hand that back. They never have and never will
- The wealthy will become even more wealthy
- We will all work longer, for less, and owe more, individually and collectively. And death duties. Guaranteed
- If not from this one, within a few years the next “one” will melt the system. THAT is where if I were a hidden hand I would expose myself. Exhaust the people during this one, bleed it dry in this one, strike in the next one
WHAT SHOULD WE DO?
- I have no idea. Get out of debt? Buy food? Build a bunker? Stock up on toilet paper? Pray? Beats me
- The best outcome might be to simply accept the inevitable and convince your other you might as well become swingers and enjoy it
- Or learn maybe Chinese
TL;DR :–
· Me and why I was banned
· IWISK
· EVE CASINO
· CCP Security
· Tinfoil
· Shit Spelling
Dear Fellow Space Nerds,
For months I have been debating if I should write this piece and I warn you now it is long, I have written this and discarded it several times on the basis that it will just come across as a bitch or a whine. But as you may now tell I have left it long enough for many to not care, so this story will just be that, a story of bad spelling, bad punctuation and the worst grammar you have ever seen. But it is my story and I have decided to just tell it as the question “I thought you was banned” needed a point of reference I could send people to. Now I get you will be suspicious but I am telling it as I see it, and if you read all of this then bravo indeed! :)
Before we begin let me just say that the whole banning of gambling mechanisms from a video game I do support and that is my stance on it. It may just be for fun but does it hold a place in a sandbox from an external point of view, the answer is no and should be every time. However it can be incredibly innocent for the 99% that participate, it is however the 1% who may have been personally affected by the ability to gamble using IRL money via the forms of plex codes. My issue which you will read here, is how it was handled and how I was treated rather than the morals of gambling.
This story begins at the start of 2016. Between the dates of the 6th and 9th of January, approx 14 Bankers in IWISK was banned for suspected RMT. This was only several days after CCP Peligro (who will be referenced allot in this piece) had announced on Twitter that he was back to work. CCP Peligro has been a subject much recently on reddit and other channels (discord / IRC etc) and I figured I would give my experience with him and CCP as a whole. Now some devs from CCP are reading this and those who I have linked this too will agree with much that is written here.
Now the claims that the banning of IWISK bankers was due to SMA etc informing CCP Security of the 1 Dollar to 1 Billion isk that IWISK was selling, these were called Batts or batteries.. I know what you are thinking, why would CCP believe such an incredible story that 1 Billion equated to 1 USD... Now CCP Peligro was off on Christmas break when these emails were sent to
[email protected] mailbox.
Well the simple truth is that they actually did! Team Security took this as an opportunity to jump on the IWISK RMT train which they failed to execute back in mid 2015 with the whole iwisk URL blacklisting from the in game browser. Now why would Team security hate IWISK? The answer is really simple and can be summed in a few bullet points :
- Several complaints over IWISK RMT which on reddit we saw around 20 threads claiming to have damning evidence but was never shared with anyone...
- Bankers actually had been caught prior to the ban wave (I think 2 but we shal say 3 for the sake of argument)
- IWISK is a blind spot for Security
So the complaints speak for themselves however the bankers who had actually been caught prior to this are simply the reaction of an individual acting alone. Some CCP Security caught and some we had emailed CCP Security of suspicious activity who had later been perma banned.
And lastly the blind spot... This for any organisation regardless of being a gaming company, this is just an almost impossible scenario to police and should never have been allowed to operate. But the fact is that it was and as such this was their own creation of a black zone. This black zone had existed for almost 7 years+ with 3rd partying websites. The actual Blackzone has technically always existed since the API was allowed for public use.
Now keep in mind this is not just IWISK related as ANY other gambling or website that allowed transactions to take place "legitimately" through a 3rd party site is a risk. The reason IWISK was such a risk was because literally hundreds of trillions flowed through it. IWISK could easily transact up to or approx 50 to an incredible 100 Trillion a month just by the master wallet alone! (may have been less but at its peak it really hit these numbers)
So IWISK was a massive risk to Security from an RMT perspective, and anyone could claim RMT, and to be fair to those who did, we could not prove that it was not happening. And I will explain why this is the case…
IWISK had a quick deposit method that allowed bankers to process isk by copying the transaction from the wallet into a field on the bankers backend. This allowed said banker to give the customer their virtual isk on the site within 8 seconds of sending the isk to IWISK Corp. This made us very popular as there was very limited wait times to gamble with your iskies.
However this system could be abused right? I simply could just copy a transaction from the wallet and wallah, I have given myself 1 bajjilion isk right... Yes this indeed is the scenario... IWISK or EEP mitigated this risk by adding a collateral to the bankers account. So if a bankers collateral was 10 billion, he could only quick deposit for players up to 10 billion isk. When the API ran after 30 minutes, these would be matched against the players transaction from the master wallet and the banker would be given his collateral back on the site.
So what the hell does that all mean.. well it means that a banker could amass profits as a banker and they could use those profits to RMT with. So If the banker had 20 Billion in his collateral wallet, the banker could sell 10 Billion to a player by just tweaking the transaction to their name, thus creating a fake wallet deposit in the database. The API runs and it will not match the in game wallet, and thus the banker is now down 10 Billion but you have "gifted" a player 10 billion isk to do what they want with.
So yes there was a loop hole in IWISK that allowed people to do this, but it was policed when discovered and this was one of the ways we caught people who thought they were smarter than the admins running IWISK or CCP security. I genuinely believed these bankers thought we could not catch them and that we would not shop them to CCP --- They were wrong.. --- I would often receive emails from players stating they just bought isk from xyz site and they got a iwisk email saying they had funds. So my response which can be verified by Security was always to inform CCP and if I catch who it was I would do the same.
So this is where it got a bit hard to navigate, I would often look at the person delivering the isk and be like "really this fucking guy is RMT'ing....". So when probed the banker denied it and I could not help but believe him. However I now had the issue of trying to work out who and how.. So this is really how the above loophole was discovered and the watching began to see who and how.. I never said or told people that we were watching them, simply just mailed everyone saying, if you are RMT’ing and using IWISK as a front we can identify you and you will be caught. Again this can be verified by CCP or a banker who kept these mails… We caught several bankers and details were sent to CCP and policing of that was now a task.
So back on track to the banning of the Bankers Jan 2016. After a month or so CCP un-banned all those involved. Except for one person “R00gle” who was in MC at the time. Now R00gle to this day denies any involvement in RMT and even went to FanFest to hang out with his buddies from MC. CCP Spoke to him and said they would look back into it, but they never did get in touch with him. Having now known R00gle for many years, If asked the question did he? I would say no every time and he was a scape goat for CCP Security to claim they got "their" guy from the ban wave in Jan.
Remember that CCP Security only answers to very few people in CCP and that would be Hilmar, and maybe Andie or Ned? IDK exactly who but this would be a reasonable assumption and really just speculation from other posts and channels I have poked around in. So on that basis, any communication directed at CCP Security is never going to give you a response, because CCP Security do not discuss with end client or in very rare cases they may, but not to the value add of the end user, and simply close your ticket with a no response. This you can find on Reddit hundreds of times and this is how they operate. This should come to many of you as no surprise regardless how shit the service is.
The so what to all that is, CCP Security hated IWISK from day one. Not just for the reasons above but also because they got told to let it go the first time around (mid 2015) and the second time around (Jan 2016). Most reading this will know about where CCP Burgtarist was open at FanFest and said he was over ruled and if he had his way everyone would have remained banned.
Now some numbers, because we all love numbers and spreadsheets! But sadly I do not have graphs... I could make one but then I would be just trying to buy the super nerds approval using graph pron!
This is the contribution of IWISK over 12 months to the RMT issue. So you can speculate that CCP Security spent hundreds of hours of no doubt, evidence gathering and data analysis which I know CCP Quant had to do. I am sure trying to map all that isk was a nightmare and the promo codes must have made it impossible to determine isk in vs isk out..
CCP released a figure stating that on average every day they ban 50 accounts for RMT or other activities etc... Now this same figure I have seen across reddit on a few occasions and I have used this number on occasion to make a point, and I believe it has comes from the 2014 FF video archive. If the figure is wrong let me know and I will recount my abbicus and update appropriately. But I think when you see the result the amount they ban per day will not change the outcome too much.
EDIT: Some facts for you... 2012 to 2013 30,202 Account banned total.
So 50 Accounts banned daily over 1 year
- 50*365= 18,250 accounts.
- IWISK accounts perma banned within 12 months = 4 people Jan 2016 to Jan 2017
- IWISK Contribution to the RMT problem
0.022%
Not suggesting that RMT is justified and belittling the issue at all, but numbers speak for themselves and the issue was tiny by comparison to what actually takes place in Eve if at all IWISK was RMT'ing. Now if you check these websites that are selling ISK and have feedback sections, you will see that they are still selling and moving the same amounts of isk. Soooo no sudden dip in ISK being RMT'd to the "black market"??? Think about that just for a minute and ponder if IWISK was such a massive RMT operation why has banning it had no effect on the 3rd party ISK Black Market? Smells like bullshit right...
So before I even get to what happened in Octoer 2016.. Several more points on RMT in Eve. It happens all the time and it is happening in alliances or inter corp constantly. Supers & Titans are being sold for RL $$'s all the time and accounts. CCP Tickets to FF / Vegas are being sold for isk along with Plane tickets / hotels and beer money.. Yes those going to Fanfest this year, there will be a few who have paid corp mates isk to fund their trip and hotel stays because they have soo much isk and some people have swag amounts of RL $$’s. I know many that have done this and even many CCP dev's know who these people are. This was discussed at a player meet on several occasions late last year. However this is not challenged or tackled because literally who gives a F, certainly the Devs attending did not give a F.
Hell I tried to buy a nice duder at FF but he refused to take my money and insisted he bought me the beer. So instead I said jokingly how about a plex as I will end up owing you? He said that is one cheap plex, but no you do not have to do that... Now some would have said hey, I buy beer and you gib plex K?... Little did he know that because he refused me spending my own money and just wanted to buy me a beer out of principle and in his own words "you have done a lot for many", when I got back to the UK @ home I sent him 20 plex's! Made me warm and fuzzy just for his reaction as he was gobsmacked. ♥ So If I am guilty here it is accepting a beer and paying 20 plex’s for the pleasure \0/ then yesh I deserve the banning. kek
So now we spin on to September 2016. Me and Eep had a few disagreements over several years and now looking back it was over trivial stuff and I decided that If I had stayed in IWISK our relationship would have devolved further. This being our friendship of 3 years was coming to an end and it genuinely made me sad and disappointed with myself. Regardless of what you may think of Eep or the way he reacts from time to time, he is a good guy and he takes way more flak than is deserved. He is down on his luck most of the time. He struggled with money and lived on very little, despite what you all thought, he was not rolling around in RL money living the dream, but sadly living month to month on most occasions and having to borrow money (which he repaid back to people). And I hope Gonz does not mind me saying that, but I just wanted to put it into context and disperse any ideas that he was rivalling yacht sizes with Mittens… If you really knew Gonz, you would know he had no money and if he had been RMT'ing then he would have been rich by comparison.
So I decided one day that enough was enough and if I stayed in IWISK one more day I would flip my sheet and my relationship with Gonz would be perma damaged. So I left to join Eve Casino who welcomed me along for their launch of a new casino that worked completely different to any of the others currently open. Now I did act badly here and I do regret my abuse of the in game mailing list IWISK had, I advertised me leaving IWISK and promoting a new Casino. As the Face of IWISK (streaming and Media) I tried to justify it as a bit of tongue and cheek on my way out, but it was a douche move. I figured Eep would take it two ways, badly or a challenge to step up IWISK 2.0 asap. Not one that I am proud of... But even after all that me and Eep have remained friends and we still talk from time to time. Some things are more important than space pixels, and I am happy to report he is doing ok and better off now than he was prior to IWISK being banned from EVE. The site is still thriving and makes more $$$$’s than it ever has.
So I am now with this new group ECAS / Eve Casino. The doors are closed for internal testing only and the website was pretty damn good I must say. I will not go too deep on ECAS as there really is not much to say, but the website was functioning but only to a point as it was only half finished, not ready for release. The planned release date was the week of Eve Vegas and much work was needed to get it finished.
So with that in mind that Eve Casino was not open to the public and not a single isk was moved through ECAS, the owner was banned along with myself Lenny and Eep. Here is the list of why's :
- Lenny – RMT.
- IronBank - Section 2.1 EULA Offence.
- Eep - EULA Offence / not sure as never saw it and cannot find reference.
- Adarics ECAS - EULA Breach of Development License.
Now Eve Casino was banned because they had used the Crest API for the login to the site as part of the "Evil Network" SSO. This included EOC TV and a few other tools that was being developed. The Crest API was not used for anything else other than the player to login and this was approved by CCP for use. Adarics had spoken with several developers who had given him the greenlight to use it as it was not being used to handle wallet information or any other part of the player. But CCP security banned him for said use. So now we have a classic situation of Part A of the org not talking to Part B. When this was produced to CCP Security they just closed the ticket and ignored him.
And yes you got it, CCP Peligro. So again even with Adarics doing everything by the book, asking for permission and clearing everything prior to deploying it or using it, CCP still screwed him over, or should I say CCP Security. Now it is my understanding that he took this information to Falcon who basically dismissed him and said it did not matter as the case was closed. Now Falcon was A) not interested or B) Cant do anything...
Now you might be thinking wait there must be more to this than what Iron is telling us... Nope that is it, and the so what to that.. Around 12 bankers who were helping test the website which had not transacted a single isk and was closed to the public had all their wallets reset to zero, and Adarics was banned for a first time infraction of a rule that had no effect on the game as the casino was closed even though he had a green light from the Developers.
To this day Adaric is still banned and all those bankers who joined ECAS never got their isk back. They had done nothing wrong, not a single isk moved around, not involved in any of the coding, and CCP just took trillions of isk from these players. Soo, abuse of Power you might say? Guess who did this >>> CCP Peligro Mr Team Security.
Next we move back to IWISK.. Lenny and EEP banned for the reasons above and the rest of the bankers had their isk stripped. So again bankers in IWISK who may have been or may not have been involved in RMT was stripped of their isk and that was that. CCP took between 25 and 30 Trillion isk from both of these orgs and claimed a victory over RMT.
Now it is not hard to fathom that a lot of isk was purchased with plex. I often was intrigued if people had been playing with Plex to fund their activities on IWISK, as to me this was fascinating. Take away the human part that people may have been spiralling out of control, this can be said not just for IWISK but for EOH EVE Bet and the "others" who probably had small amounts of traffic but nothing worth boasting :P (still getting those jabs in). I do not like to reference competition as it seems like a cheap shot, but as these are now all dead, it no longer matters to a degree… But yeah the point here is that all that isk taken which no doubt the players had purchased via EVE or Markee etc has disappeared.. Not even some sent to Plex 4 Good or used to reimburse players who had their stuff stolen in game etc.. CCP talk about an isk imbalance when they restore Items from stolen looted accounts, well they have a huge sink to use. But I guess this was taken and written off as profit rather than use what they took.
Whenever people think of RMT or gambling in Eve they will always pick the most known target. One because the most popular and two because law of averages state that yes it probably exists at some point. However this can exist across all of the casino's, but given the most popular will always be the focal point, you are always going to be under suspicion.
An example of RMT existing outside of IWISK I want to share with you is a guy we caught from Germany, who was trying to use IWISK to funnel money to another player. He was using the raffle system buying 50% tickets with player 1 and using a 2nd account on another machine connected via a VPN to mask himself from us and CCP. His 2nd account would purchase the other 50% of tickets. So he was washing his isk. Yes IWISK was taking a cut as the house would normally regardless, but unknowingly being abused by some tard or tards. I asked this guy if he used any other ways of doing this...
With a bit of poking he finally opened up and said he had access to alliance funds and also a corp accounts in B0T. Not B0T holding itself ofc but some renter corps within B0t... This allowed him to funnel isk into these corp accounts and the use of these funds to build supers etc which he then 3rd partied to make RL money. This seemed like an obvious way to funnel isk and I asked him how he never got caught. His response was CCP are not clever enough or lack the resources to catch him... I was a little surprised by this but I wanted more info on this guy. I was trying to catch him out by getting any info I could, but all avenues lead me to around 50 iP's which bounced all over the world across 7 or 8 VPN services which are easily obtained online & his hardware ID's were changing all the time. This guy was the master or RMT and seemingly from what he was claiming (because that is what it is just a claim) and I wanted to know more, hell who would not be curious.
So I asked him if he had ever used any other websites to facilitate washing isk or doing RMT trades. He said the best one was using EOH Poker (Sorry guys). He said that all he had to do was set up a Head to Head and just lose to the person he was selling to... Or use 2 accounts of his and wash the money across 20 accounts over a 3 month or 6 month period of which none could be connected to Physical hardware or software ID tagging. He told me he would biomass on mass accounts, and some accounts he has had for years without being banned by Team Security. So he in private could wash isk very easily via playing poker in sealed rooms. Thus utilizing EOH's system to wash isk very easily with little to no risk of another player sniping raffles from him. I could see his point and he said that he would only use IWISK for certain methods of washing or selling isk, but he would not tell me anymore, he felt spooked by a few people dropping in and out of the channel. Once really confident talking to us then suddenly not so much. So this encounter certainly opened my eyes on how these guys were abusing sites to do these trades and he was boasting of hundreds of thousands of Euros in profit from this.
This ultimately changed how I looked for patterns in the database. For example looking for players who go head to head on raffles of a value higher than x and then expanding this to a large date range to see how long this was going on for. To be honest it was hard to figure out who was who and if it was chance or just normal activity.. So I thought I knew or had the silver bullet in identifying anyone abusing the system, but reality was, I am now more confused over the data set than ever.
So that aside, that was September done and dusted and I have now moved over to EVE Casino. Hopefully I have given a decent overview of the before the final banning and demonstrated that RMT was happening everywhere, but because IWISK was the most prominent focal point of the gambling scene in EVE, it had become the centre of all RMT claims, even though every system could be manipulated regardless of reputation.
So October the 12th and the ban wave and EULA changes announced by CCP.
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/end-user-license-agreement-changes-coming-with-eve-online-ascension/ I am working night shifts and had been for a few days at this point. I woke up to hundreds of messages and tweets, skype, irc everything… I laid in bed and was like sigh this again!!! So I get out of bed, put on my slippas and go to the kitchen whilst reading all of the messages and a cluster barrage of confusion. I make a cup of tea (Earl Grey to be precise + 2 sugars dash of milk) and make my way to my PC. I was not worried as this had happened several times before and I have never been banned in 12 or 13 years. To be honest at that point I assumed it was just a IWISK the website had been blacklisted and all gambling was to cease, but to my genuine surprise, my account had been banned also.
When attempting to login I got the classic “Banned pending investigation, CCP Peligro”… I laughed out loud at first and then tried every account I owned. All 30 of them but alas to no avail. So I started checking my emails and literally as I opened my client, the email popped in.. It was from guess who, you got it – CCP Peligro
CCP Peligro (EVE Online) Oct 12, 15:22 UTC
Hi,
This mail is sent to inform you that your EVE Online accounts have permanently banned, in light of EULA violations. Specifically, you were found to be using your accounts "XYZ" and "XYZ1" for business purposes, in violation of the EULA, Section 2.A.
Your continued access to the System and license to play the Game is subject to proper conduct. Without limiting CCP's rights to control the Game environment, and the conduct of the players within that environment, CCP prohibits the following practices that CCP has determined detract from the overall user experience of the users playing the Game.
2.A "Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities. Business entities and anyone who is acting for or on behalf of a business or for business purposes may not establish an Account, access the System or play EVE. Accessing the System or using the Game for commercial, business or income-seeking purposes is strictly prohibited."
So I opened TS3 and those from IWISK was now back on my TS3 server and I started to understand what the damage was, and it was everyone, it was a swift attack from young Mr CCP Peligro.
So I noticed that a Petition had already been opened on my behalf by CCP, no doubt just for their tracking. So I responded saying “I have never RMT’d so I do not understand my ban”. Then as I sit there I read the email again, it was not for RMT as I had assumed... Because it came from CCP Peligro my assumption was that it must be ISK related as that is what he does right. But to my surprise it was no mention of RMT in my petition like Lenny’s. Now I had not spoken to Lenny at this point due to the TZ difference, but the guys on TS3 said his specifically stated RMT, yet mine was for a Section 2.A… So I jumped on IRC and started asking questions with some Devs at CCP, they said if it was not RMT then it should not have come from CCP Peligro, it should have come from another person at CCP. I cannot remember who the Dev is who handles violating of Section 2 of the EULA but we know that it is not CCP Peligro. So now I am confused as this info is coming from Devs and then a few days later I noticed that Nosy Gamer was talking about the same thing. (If anyone finds out who the Dev at CCP should have been let me know and I will update this to keep this accurate.)
So I respond to my petition basically saying, sorry I misread the petition, but I do not understand how I broke this section of the EULA. Can you explain to me what I did wrong…
But the classic silence now dawned upon this petition and not a single response. Few weeks later the petition is closed and not a single response nor explanation or even guidance on why and how to avoid going forward, just simply nothing.
I spoke with Falcon and we had traded a few emails. Not to go into them too much but the bottom line was that Security had concluded their investigation and as such the matter was closed. Nobody can do anything at CCP as the decision is theirs.
So no point except to maybe appeal to Internal Affairs at CCP. I did wait a while before doing this, & Not a single response.
The one good thing about going to Player events is you can meet Devs that you know or have never met. Meet people you have never met and share experiences. Even though I was super angry about what happened, I pulled up my big boy pants and put a smile on my face. I think because of my demeanour about the whole thing being happy go lucky and care free, nearly all the devs would speak openly with me about what had happened over a few shots and a giggle. Not giving too much away, but it did give away a few things that I was trying to understand. Why had I been banned as the reason given made no sense.
So take the email from CCP stating that my accounts had been banned for the reason “income seeking or for business” – Now given I know this is not RMT related as it would just say RMT and you are perma banned from EVE. Yet I am still allowed to play subject to proper conduct right? So it is not RMT as that is clear cut and nor should it be.
The only road I can go down is “Twitch” and the “Game Show” I was pixel space famous for. So I would ask these Devs when intoxicated, was I banned for the reason because of what I was doing on Twitch? The same response, sorry I cannot tell you but a smile & a wink was enough for me to know that I was on the right path.
Why all this effort and having to read between the lines, simple really, nobody at CCP would discuss any of this with me. Because they were kept out of the loop or those involved were told specifically not to discuss this with anyone at CCP or external. Drunk CCP best CCP :)
However not all employees will toe the line, so yes some expressed their disgust to me and apologised for their company & colleagues behaviours and some of the CSM contacted me saying they were appalled by this, and no I am not referring to Bobmon but “others”. It was comforting to know that despite the public flogging CCP gave me, people were still ready to call out CCP’s BS.
So now Its November and I kinda have a better understanding of the reason I was banned for. So I stream on Twitch like many others and the assumption from CCP or more specifically is that my channel is a cash grab based on massive amounts of ISK I have amassed from IWISK. (This was a comment made to me by a member of CCP GM's)
Now if you spent like 5 minutes in my channel like most critiques have in the past. You assume that I am trying to get subs and donations for the isk being given away. This could not have been further from the truth and if you have read this far congratulations…
The channel operated like this… If you are a subscriber you got “Iron” or points for every month that you were subscribed. So if you had been subbed for 1 month you got 500 Iron, and on month 2 you got 500 + 2000 for being 2 months, 3 months 500 + 3000 etc etc…
So the longer you are subbed the more points or “Iron” you got and this is known on Twitch as a loyalty system. You also got points for being idle in channel or being in channel when I was streaming.
Now if you are not subscribed you got no points at all, simply none as points are used to play in game channel games “roulette or Bank robbing” or entering Subscriber only giveaways / requesting songs etc. These giveaways were for Plex’s or other things which you could redeem via your EVE account management page.
I purchased these codes from Markee Dragons store or Greenman Gaming (Approved ETC or PLEX code retailers) and the money to buy these codes came from the sub’s money that I got from Twitch every month.
So I have been accused of Income seeking by CCP, and the reason I find this so ludicrous is that it was no secret of how this model operated. Hell every stream I would announce these code giveaways are only for subs because the subs effectively paid for them. And at this point I think nobody at CCP involved in my banning knew this, because they simply did not do their homework. I would love to be proven wrong, but that would require someone from CCP actually talking to me.
The other giveaways that was done on the channel follow’s CCP rules that everyone must have the same chance regardless of subscription type. This I followed to the letter and back story, I even asked for this to be made as a policy for streamers. The rules also state that this is for “in game items only” and Fozzie even reinforced that on Mittani’s Twitch channel days after this policy was released. He said if it is for anything out of game then do what you want with it, which reinforced the CCP policy on Streaming.
So I followed the rules to the letter and others on Twitch were still not following these rules… But hey I did not care as everyone has their own path to follow and if CCP really gave a hoot they would step in. I am no internet police vigilantly and I do not stoop to the same levels like DBRB for example. Yes DBRB I know what you tried to do and it failed.
Anyway back on track.. A little bit into the world of me and why income seeking is just utter nonsense.. I work as an IT Contractor and earn good money. Or at least I think it is good money. Approx 300 GBP a day or 380 USD a day not inc bonus etc. Not going to be a billionaire in RL, but enough to not worry financially about a mortgage or nice cars holidays etc.
So here is a rough example of what I got from Twitch every month and how those funds were spent. Sometimes it was less around 500 but it varied and at one point was as high as 720… This is puny compared to the likes of Zarvox etc but he does it full time and deserves every penny!
Twitch Income:
- 250 Subs @ 2.5 USD = 625 USD
Monthly Expenditure:
· Server VPS - 105 USD · Deepbot 10 – USD · 1ronbot 5 – USD · Plex Codes and Aurumn Codes Monthly Avg - 200 - 250 USD · X-Split – 15
Total Monthly Expenditure - 380 USD
So I make give or take a massive:
245 USD a month
depending on how many subs I have, and this does not even include the cost of Electricity / Hardware failures or equipment purchases to improve the stream. If I was to break it down further into that. But as these additional's I have not included are for personal enjoyment as well and I cannot or won’t include them. as it would be wrong to do so.
Also any paypal money left over in paypal get's spent at the end of the Year on a Christmas and New Years special Stream. I buy as many codes as I can to give away (2015 Christmas I spent over 1100 USD on codes alone). So I run my channel almost non profit or at least as best I could. And yes I take money for Beer and Nachos cuz Beer and Nachoz amright?
So I was banned for making around 200 USD a month and some change because… NOPE NOPE NOPE I do not get it also. Other streamers make more $$$’s than me easy in the Eve Category, but yep you got it, it was all they could use to ban me. Literally they used a BS excuse to ban me from the game and publicly flog me.
So yes I got F’d over royally because some fuck wit child in CCP Security had a grudge to settle. That is truly how I feelz about this and it is disgusting. If any of my staff members behaved like this, they would be out immediately without warning. And I know I am not alone when it comes to complaints about Peligro and his conduct…
To add insult to injury he even followed me on Twitter about 2 weeks prior to nuking my account, I guess he wanted my tears…
http://i.imgur.com/MtAxI0Y.png But the funny part is, as soon as I mentioned and saw this connection I emailed CCP about his behaviour and that day he un-followed me on Twitter. Bad taste indeed sir.
Now I had tried to reach out and extend my hand with Peligro, as he followed me on Twitter prior to the first ban wave in Jan 2016. I used to feed him info on suspected people or anything else that I thought may have been an issue. See image and you will notice the dates..
http://i.imgur.com/bxATAfX.png << But as you can see I was trying every avenue to get these sec people to engage.
Around June he stopped following me, so I took that as a sign that CCP Security wanted nothing to do with me or to aid in catching RMT'ers. I have also emailed and raised petitions of bankers & players who I thought were dodgy. And I also captured one of the bankers via Reddit who I know got banned. That was a good day for Reddit on the anti RMT front!
Now there is the whole unassailable wealth thing.. This made my literally laugh out loud. For a start I know more people in Eve who are station traders and combined have more isk than IWISK bankers / IWISK in general. They could have funded the war against Mittens all by themselves as a small group. Station traders in major hubs selling and buying firesales or hunting forums for cheap BPO deals and reselling them etc also have unassailable wealth. The hypocrisy that it is unfair because you cannot target these people and casino’s are generally untouchable… Well if you know station trading or have half a fucking clue about this game and enough capital, you can literally steer the market in your favour. And I do believe a trader recently and a few other have been banned and they are still banned. Guess who is investigating them… CCP Peligro
@ CCP – I am disappointed with you that you even listened to the dear complaints of the overlord Mittani, But I do expect you to Nerf Market trading so you can be killed and have your stuff taken from you, or would it be better Mittens to write a letter of complaint to Ned?
Sigh…
Lastly
I was debating and have been for the last 15 minutes whether to put this in or not but I will add these last few bits as conjecture and you make up your own mind. But all of the above is my story and I have no reason to BS. You can see it is open and honest. I have tried not to misty any part of the above except the bit with my email trades with Falcon as it contained some personal parts of my life when I was in the forces / Hospital. But I hope at the very least you can see that not everything is as it seems.
If you control the evidence that is received and you want a group or x people out of the game, you can make any evidence tell the story you want. Forget what you think about me or IWISK etc, just think about it for a while.
[Tinfoil-zone]
· Mittani is RL friends with Peligro and he is / was a Goonswarm Member… · Head of internal affairs left after this all happened. · Head of CCP Security left after this all happened.
[/Tinfoil-zone-end]
Pre-Story/Episode Shadow/Comics
1.Phantom Ruby appears one year before Classic Sonic despite both going through the same portal at the same time during Mania’s true ending.
2.Angel Island is in both Sonic’s world and the Human World.
3.Chaos is just kinda there? Also, if the real Chaos guards the master emerald when Knuckles is gone, what the hell was the deal with the Phantom Ruby making a fake?
4.HOLY SHIT ARE THOSE MORE ECHIDNAS AND A REFERENCE TO ADVENTURE? DON’T TELL PENDERS!
5.Wait, actually, I’d assume Eggman would actually be harming Chao when he takes over, so why doesn’t the Real Chaos ever show up?
6.Knuckles and Silver get to fight Chaos.
7.Silver warns Knuckles about a coming event that’s probably bad, and the first thing Knuckles does is literally leave the Master Emerald unguarded.
8.And just like that, Knuckles becomes the leader of the resistance with nobody objecting.
9.EGGMAN, TAKE THE EMERALD ANYWAYS YOU IDIOT!
10.Wait, so...I can understand GUN not being present on Sonic’s world, but so, does Team Dark have their own base of operations when they’re on Sonic’s World, and is Rouge like...Intel now? I guess it still fits with the whole ‘Spy’ theme, but she’s not really..doing much.
11.In Looming Shadow, Shadow and Omega are clearly in Arsenal Pyramid and not in the conversation with Omega. However, in Episode Shadow, he is in the City instead, but we get the same dialogue until a certain point, in which it changes and no longer matches the comic. After Stage 3, however, he is assumed to be in Arsenal Pyramid despite never going there in game. And I mean, sure, Infinite sends him to a Virtual Reality version of Green Hill, but that doesn’t really count, you know? He was in City beforehand.
12.Enemy territory is a city apparently full of civilians.
13.Oh hey, look! Eggmanlan--And it’s gone, never to be seen again.
14.Okay, I can get behind Infinite being a mercenary. But did he really think he could take Eggman on in his base?
15.Infinite’s interaction with the ruby shows...Metropolis? What the fuck? I would’ve expected Infinite’s Ruby Projection to be the destroyed city, but fucking Metropolis?
16.The City is destroyed before being destroyed. (Of course, this is because they didn’t have time to completely fix it up, but still continuity.)
17.So we can assume that Infinite wasn’t present when his Squad was killed by Shadow. Where the hell was he, and why wasn’t he, as the leader, helping defend both them and the lab?
18.Holy shit, Shadow killed a fuckton of people.
19.Wait, Eggman hired...people to defend his base? Man, even he’s lost faith in the Forces badniks.
20.Eggman talks to Infinite like he doesn’t know him personally, when the whole reason he even hired Infinite was to give him the Ruby and use him as the leader of his entire badnik army AND as his main weapon.
21.Shadow kills every mercenary except Infinite. How convenient!
22.I am not weak.
23.After Infinite fails, Eggman still keeps him around.
24.Shadow clearly remembers Infinite activating the Ruby, then he wakes up in Green Hill, with the Red Cubes everywhere, which he doesn’t acknowledge, and also doesn’t really question the fact that Rouge is telling him about a mission they were supposed to be on together, which he doesn’t remember whatsoever.
25.Shadow believes “Rouge” about Omega being destroyed three months ago and them not going out to pick him up a lot earlier.
26.Wait, Omega technically
was destroyed in Green Hill, but like...Why are they suddenly in Green Hill now? I know they were trying to balance out the stages, but you could’ve at least had enemy territory be a revised Arsenal Pyramid.
27.Literally five seconds after Rouge tells Shadow not to worry since Sonic has it covered, she goes into full panic mode and dispatches Shadow to the area.
28.We never find out what happens to Shadow.
29.The comics were only made to fill plotholes.
In-Story
1.Why are there so many broken Death Egg Robots everywhere in Lost Valley? Also, why and how does Eggman keep doing shit like flooding Green Hill with Sand despite the fact that Sonic and his 2 million friends are always on the lookout?
2.Where the fuck did Eggman get enough sand to cover the entirety of Green Hill?
3.Why would you cover Green Hill with Sand? Probably to piss Sonic off, but--Ohh, he was trying to bury it so Sega couldn’t use it again! He’s not so bad.
4.Chaos Emeralds aren’t even mentioned in the story. But the Master Emerald was mentioned in the comic. Hell, it was even seen! So...What gives?
5.GREEN HILL IS THE FIRST STAGE AGAIN.
6.Giant Non-Anthro Sandworm. Okay.
7.THESE BADNIKS SUCK SO BAD!
8.Tails just watches Sonic get his ass kicked.
9.Knuckles and Silver knew something bad was gonna happen a little while before this, (which could easily be chalked up to Eggman), and then didn’t warn Team Dark, or Sonic, or Tails, or anyone.
10.Eggman is clearly concerned over the planet’s state in Lost World, but he clearly doesn’t give a damn here. Also, why would he care? It’s not Earth. Actually, to be fair, GUN would probably arrest him on Earth. He would’ve escaped though, so I don’t know.
11.So...Rouge was keeping an eye on Sonic on the Death Egg for six months, just..watching as he got tortured. Okay. But how did she get to the death egg and back repeatedly?
12.Knuckles sends a kid out to fight in a war.
13.Probably 13 y/o Rookie randomly knows how to use a grappling hook, kick the shit out of badniks, and can do all sorts of acrobatic moves despite no prior experience in war, aside from apparently fleeing from Infinite.
14.CHEMICAL PLANT IS THE SECOND STAGE AGAIN.
15.What is a Spaceport doing in a Chemical Plant?
16.Espio sees Infinite at the Spaceport and then nothing comes of it again.
17.Omega is just...There. Broken, in the city. And that’s the only time we see him in the main game aside from the Eggman Empire Fortress cutscene and in the ending cutscene. Also, EGGMAN, LOCK OMEGA UP IN STASIS AGAIN, YOU IDIOT.
18.Did Tails just like...Run off?
19.Classic Sonic gets to ‘fight’ Chaos.
20.We haven’t seen Chaos in a Sonic Game since 2005, and this is the only major part he has in the game. And by major, I mean MINOR AS HELL. SO WHY BRING HIM BACK.
21.Tails remembers Classic Sonic and the events of Sonic Generations despite the fact that Generations shouldn’t have occurred if the Modern and Classic worlds are now separate.
22.Tails immediately idolizes the first Sonic he sees after spouting some cliche nonsense.
23.Tails.
24.Classic Sonic’s physics.
25.What happened to the Homing Attack? If Generations still happened despite that making no sense, then Classic Sonic should have the homing attack. Probably would’ve slightly made up for the shitty Physics Classic already has.
26.Classic Sonic runs through dirty post-war sewer water.
27.Knuckles entrusts the kid he just met to find Sonic.
28.The mission is to save Sonic but not anyone else Eggman has imprisoned on the Death Egg.
29.Rouge was on the Death Egg for a while. At least a week, right? So how would she ever have had contact with Shadow beforehand for him to ask her for intel later? Also, so he needed Intel from Rouge but Rouge went and got a mission from Knuckles which she immediately took.
30.Rouge somehow got on the Death Egg before anyone else undetected and stayed there for some time without being caught. I get shes a top grade Spy but jesus.
31.Well, of course Eggman got wind of your plan! You stole one of his fucking spaceships!
32.The rest of the resistance had no idea Sonic was alive until Rouge told Knuckles. But Rouge would’ve known Sonic had been there, right?
33.Okay if you all went on the Death Egg together in the same ship then how the fuck did the Avatar ‘take the best route’? And if Rouge knew where Sonic was being held, it's not like she gave them a map of the Death Egg, right? So how would Knuckles know what the ‘best route’ was, and if so, why didn’t they all take it? And NOBODY WENT WITH THE KID TO MAKE SURE HE WOULD BE SAFE?
34.Avatar plows through a motherload of badniks with no sweat, then after Egg Gate, is cornered by 3 of the things.
35.Zavok, despite being a virtual clone, has memories and talks, unlike all of the others.
36.Eggman sends the clone Zavok to banish Sonic into space, and doesn’t banish Sonic himself or go to watch his enemies’ final moments.
37.Sonic sees Zavok just vanish, and only responds to the noise. Then again, a lot of characters tend to “vanish” in the Sonic games, so..
38.All of the prisoners kinda vanish, too. So either they escaped, or Sonic left them to die.
39.Eggman doesn’t immediately send all of the remaining badniks out to stop Sonic...He also doesn’t have any safeguards, or backup defenses. At all. 10/10.
40.Several Egg Chasers fly past Sonic after he exits the first section, and then don’t attack him.
41.Wait, wait, no, you escaped from a Meteor base heading FOR the Death Egg, so no, you couldn’t have been locked up on the Death Egg. Unless the Death Egg includes a...Meteor system? What?
42.Oh how convenient! Sonic and the Avatar find eachother in the Shuttle area where they have easy access to escape!
43.All sonic and the Avatar do is walk up the ship and it immediately opens, allowing them to step inside, and then it flies off. I thought these ships were to transport prisoners.
44.The rest of the Resistance comes in on a shuttle, and then Sonic and the Avatar leave on a different one.
45.The point of this mission was to rescue Sonic, right? So, was the plan ‘if someone finds sonic, find the nearest shuttle and leave the rest of us for dead’?
46.Knuckles talks to the Avatar on the comms like he’s off-site. But he came with the others to the Death Egg, right? And when everyone gets back to Resistance HQ it's like he was already there.
47.How is Rouge back on the planet? I guess she came back with the others but..Whatever.
48.Sonic’s first question is not immediately “Where is Tails?”
49.I get Sonic is with him, but Knuckles sends the Rookie who just joined them less than a day ago to do all of the resistance’s major tasks.
50.Okay, no. Eggman does not have ONE Ammunitions facility. There’s no way. We literally see a second one RIGHT NEXT to the first one! Also, WHAT THE HELL IS WITH ALL THE GEARS?
51.How does Double Boost even work? The Power of Friendship? Probably.
52.All Sonic and the Avatar did was destroy some badniks and run to a lift that goes DOWN at the end of the stage. And there’s an invisible wall that blocks them from going that far past the goal anyways, so what exactly did they do to destroy the Arsenal Pyramid and how did they get out?
53.Giant non-anthropomorphized snake in the Jungle...What? Why have Sonic’s world be a thing then if there are non-anthro animals there too? It can’t be to bring logic to all the floating platforms and loops and rings, because Adventure, Adventure 2, Rush (somehow), Battle, Shadow, 06, and Unleashed shows that Earth has these things too.
54.When Sonic runs past the Goal in Luminous Forest, he runs into the sealed entrance into the research lab but slams into Infinite instead in the following cutscene which takes place in the same area.
55.Infinite drops the Phantom Ruby and not him, Sonic, nor Silver notices.
56.He also dropped the Ruby outside Eggman’s lab. So...Either Infinite is terrible at his job (which he is), or Eggman is terrible at security. (Which he is) And maybe Eggman locked the facility down but he would’ve at least had some badnik forces check just in case, right?
57.Sonic just screws with Infinite while Silver struggles to get to his feet. Like, just look at Silver, he’s clearly in pain and injured. Then the next scene, he’s floating.
58.Infinite launches Sonic away, but then a boss fight with that Snake as a track starts? Also, what the fuck, we’re running on a dead snake. Also, SONIC KILLED A SNAKE.
59.WHY DID INFINITE LET SONIC LIVE?!
60.Infinite is clearly implied multiple times to be a machine, or at least somewhat similar to one, despite Shadow knowing he isn’t, and Shadow doesn’t correct anyone. Looks like the poor dude still has amnesia.
61.“Green Hill - Green Hill”
62.You can run up 90 degree slopes in most classic Sonic stages with enough speed, and run back down, and Sonic will fall through the floor.
63.Tails, at the beginning of the stage, clearly states that this part of Green Hill is undamaged, meaning he knew Eggman had fucked with it. Later, he acts all confused as to why Green Hill is in ruins, and is even unsure if it is Green Hill, despite being there nearly just as much as Sonic.
64.Why are Infinite and Eggman just standing around in Green Hill?
65.Infinite clearly sees Tails and Classic Sonic, but doesn’t say anything.
66.Sonic 1’s first boss again.
67.WHERE DID THE EGG DRAGOON COME FROM? WAS IT IN THE SAND PIT? WHY?! This is clearly meant to be the Egg Dragoon from Generations considering it’s damaged. But if that’s the case, the Egg Dragoon was destroyed thousands of feet below the surface of the EARTH. This is Sonic’s world. In Green Hill. And don’t give me that time displacement bullshit, these are separate dimensions now.
68.What the fuck is Eggman throwing at us? Rocks? Trash bags? They have snap buttons on them so..I have no idea what those are.
69.Aaannddd Classic Sonic just beat the Egg Dragoon.
70.Why is the city the only place really under attack? Or in actual ruins?
71.Okay, if the city had to be evacuated due to Eggman’s attacking, how is it under Team Sonic’s control? All Sonic does in Sunset Heights is find “Shadow”.
72.Casino Forest? Why? No, really, what was the point? You’re pretty much murdering everyone left alive, so why bother with a Casino? Not to mention you OWN the world, and you’re evil, so..
73.I don’t know what the hell is up with the Physics in Casino Forest, but those mixed with Classic Sonic’s Physics are just..Unbearable. Just look at gameplay footage, Classic Sonic keeps turning sideways, upside down, backwards, ect. He also can drop dash around and under like, a few walls or slopesor ceilings.
74.Aqua Road is actually pretty bearable despite the gameplay looking really obnoxious to control from a non-player point of view.
75.Woah! Why did those wood planks blocking off the second path just explode?!
76.Well, Amy, I took your advice and decided to go with the flow. I fell off the slide and died.
77.“They sure made this lab hard to find.” “They must be doing experiments they don’t want people to know about!” Knuckles...Eggman conquered the world, I don't think he cares if anyone knows about the experiments he's doing.
78.Oh, look, the Avatar found the Phantom Ruby. The last remaining prototype, I might add. HOW CONVIENIENT.
79.“Have we met?”, Tails asks to an orange rabbit with heart glasses, a beard, a backwards baseball cap, a bikini, a gold chain necklace, AiAi’s feet, and AiAi’s hands.
80.“It’s been Generations since I’ve seen you!” and the entire Sonic fanbase was triggered.
81.Sunset Heights, the first stage we saw of Forces, is stage 15 out of 30. I have been playing this game for fifty minutes this far.
82.IF SHADOW HAD CONTACT WITH ROUGE FOR SIX MONTHS, AND KNEW THAT THE RETURNING ENEMIES WERE FAKES, FIRSTLY, WHAT THE HELL WAS HE DOING FOR SIX MONTHS, AND TWO, WHY DIDN’T HE HAVE ROUGE TELL THE RESISTANCE THAT THEY WERE FAKES?
83.Sonic almosts gets to fight Shadow.
84.Shadow gets to fight Shadow.
85.Shadow uses Chaos Control without a Chaos Emerald.
86.No Chaos or Shadow Boss fight for us.
87.Capital City is the best stage because Infinite actually poses somewhat of a threat.
88.Of course, because a plan that took a minute and a half to think up is a good idea.
89.Nobody objects to Knuckles’ plan. Hell, Vector praises him for it.
89.5: Where the fuck did the resistance get the time and materials to steal half of Eggman's fleet and paint each ship blue and white?
90.Tails says that since the resistance has Classic Sonic, they should be able to take Metropolis. Well, one, Classic Sonic can barely run, and two, nooo, you see, Classic Sonic doesn’t
get a Metropolis act.
91.Infinite holds up his arm like he’s holding a Phantom Ruby whenever he changes gravity.
92.Sonic never said any of what he says in the cutscene.
93.Okay, Infinite, you were following us for most of the stage, why are you just standing there on a walkway and wondering if you can face a real challenge? Maybe Infinite also has amnesia...
94.Also, the lighting Sonic is in during the cutscene made me realize Sonic has a realistic Skin texture. e_e
95.DUDE, YOU CAN FUCK WITH REALITY, WHY ARE YOU FIRING RED CUBES AT US??
96.Ultra-Powerful Reality Bending Villain gets beaten by a 13 year old kid.
97.Infinite doesn’t notice that the Avatar drops the Phantom Ruby.
98.Infinite questions how the Avatar overrode his power despite the Phantom Ruby being clearly visible in the Avatar’s hand.
99.Classic Sonic drowns so fast.
100.“Chemical Plant - Chemical Plant”
101.What is a Data Archive doing in a Chemical Plant?
102.That first jump is literally impossible to make as intended because of Classic’s awful Physics.
103.TEN TERABYTES OF SELFIES?!
104.Red Gate Bridge, huh? This Bridge looks pretty shor--Oh it’s gone I guess the stage is over now--What? This isn’t the Bridge? Oh, alright.
105.Oh, wow, one of the Death Egg Robots actually attacks us!
106....Aaaand it’s gone.
107.The track name for this Death Egg Robot QTE sequence is ‘Mark II locks on!’ So...Like...What?
108.Oh look, Metal Sonic. Oh, look. He’s massive. Oh, look. He’s useless.
109.Why did Eggman and Infinite start chasing the fucking Avatar?
110.Knuckles, the Chemical plant is halfway across the world. That crab thing will not be able to get there. And that wasn’t even the point of the mission!
111.What is a Death Egg Control Station doing in a Chemical Plant?
112.No ‘Find the Computer Room!’ joke. Two missed opportunities, SEGA.
113.The flowing chemicals are ridiculous.
114.I get they already interacted with Classic Sonic before, but Tails, just because Classic Sonic is a Sonic, doesn’t mean he’s gonna get through every challenge flawlessly.
115.All Classic did was blow up like, 8 badniks. He didn’t do anything. Knuckles and Vector did all the work with the generator.
116.The reactor doesn’t look like it’s about to explode.
117.Upon seeing
118.Wait, why does the Phantom Ruby need a power source when the prototypes work just fine? Also, the power source needs a power source. Also, if the Ruby needs a power source, how the hell was he able to use it during Episode Shadow, before the Death Egg or Metropolis was built?
119.Look I get that the whole point of Guardian Rock was to distract Eggman but Eggman and Infinite weren’t even in Guardian Rock and were probably somewhere else before this. So why are they suddenly in Green Hill again?
120.Why does Eggman just watch as his Death Egg gets destroyed?
121.Metropolitan Highway, huh? This stage is pretty cool actua--Did I just boost right off the road? YOU’VE BEEN TEACHING ME TO BOOST BLINDLY THIS ENTIRE GAME. Dick.
122.THE PLATFORMING IN METROPOLITAN HIGHWAY IS SO ANNOYING
123.Tails, once again, WATCHES AS HIS FRIEND GETS KIDNAPPED.
124.You decided to learn from your mistakes by building a backup power source? GOOD! Only took you 26 years…
125.Oh, wow, this place looks pretty damn cool--WHAT.
126.Okay, I’ll give that a half-pass, because Null Space has a ton of different paths. But only half because there’s unused dialogue that implies a much longer stage. And concept art with a Boss Fight.
127.DUDE, JUST OPEN ANOTHER PORTAL AND TRAP THE ENTIRE RESISTANCE IN NULL SPACE. IT CLEARLY USES LESS ENERGY THAN THE SUN.
128.What the fuck? How did they get the entire resistance into one area? Actually, to be more specific, how the fuck did they get the whole god damn resistance into Eggman’s MAIN Fortress with no opposition? I know it’s a trap, but jesus.
129.How did Eggman know the entire resistance would break into the Fortress at that specific time just in time for him to unleash his plan?
130.The Resistance gets to fight Chaos and Shadow.
131.You know, if the resistance didn’t go into the Fortress, then Eggman’s plan would have been a waste. Easy win!
132.Infinite doesn’t even talk to Shadow once. I thought Shadow was half the reason you became Infinite. Yep. Definitely has amnesia.
133.WHERE DID OMEGA COME FROM?!
134.This is the only time in the entire main story that Omega speaks. Or is seen, apart from earlier and before the credits.
135.Eggman, if your plan works, the Sun will destroy you and your entire base as well.
136.WHY DIDN’T YOU JUST CREATE A SUN EARLIER?
137.Why isn’t the avatar with everyone else?
138.Why are they still calling the Avatar a rookie?
139.IMPERIAL TOWER HAS AWFUL LEVEL DESIGN. Why did they think that platforming while avoiding laser orbs with wall jumping (only time it’s used) over a massive pit was a good idea?
140.This is clearly where the game started getting rushed.
141.THE LASERS ARE SO AGGRAVATING!
142.Why is everyone just staring at the sun? It’s closer, too, so…
143.Also, despite there being a massive sun over the place, the fortress is still dark.
144.How nice of the Clones to politely wait as we await a miracle.
145.Okay seriously, WHY IS NOBODY FIGHTING? WERE THEY JUST STANDING THERE STARING AT EACHOTHER?
146.The avatar grapples onto a fucking sun.
147.What did the avatar grapple onto to avoid falling to their death?
148.Oh, shut up, Tails. You didn’t do anything in this game.
149.Mortar Canyon is such a good stage, It’s too bad it’s so short.
150.Is...Is this boss literally just the fucking Metal Sonic boss? For fuck’s sake.
151.What? The Phantom Ruby’s energy is recharged? The Prototype the avatar had is destroyed? Well, INFINITE, MAKE ANOTHER FUCKING SUN!
152.And with that, Infinite falls into the pit of characters SEGA will forget ever existed! Thanks for another waste of a villain, Sonic Team.
153.Wait, wasn’t Infinite like...a living person? Eggman just kinda...poofed his body out of existence...That’s...Terrifying.
154.WHY IS THERE AUTOSCROLLING?! WHY?!?!
155.IT’S TITANIC MONARCH ALL OVER AGAIN EXCEPT WITH SHITTY PHYSICS HAVE MERCY
156.Amy randomly fangirls over 2 Sonics out of fucking nowhere despite not obsessing over either for the entire game until now.
157.What the fuck is with the stupid rolling spike wheels? How is that a defense mechanism?
158.Final Judgement’s track goes on for so much longer than the first part.
159.Aaaand those are infinite clones in those tubes. Too bad there’s no acknowledgement of them! Also, does Infinite know Eggman cloned him? I feel like that’s a breach of trust. Also, wait, he uses the Overclocked Ruby to clone Infinite anyways, so why have the clones? Sonic and the Avatar destroyed the decoy reactor so they’d all get blown up anyways.
160.Heart of Nova? Is that you?
161.Sonic and the Avatar destroy the reactor which is apparently a decoy, but Tails says that’s where the Ruby was sent to and the Reactor is still in the tower anyways. So if it blew up as much as it did, there’s no reason the Imperial Tower wouldn’t have blown up in the process.
162.Oh wow, Eggman is the final boss and had one last trap. What a surprise.
163.Death Egg Robot? No, that’s just Lyric with Eggman’s face and eight arms.
164.Is this not just the Egg Dragoon boss with a laser and a moving platform?
165.Wow, the only challenging Boss in the whole game...wait a second...This is Eggman’s mech fight from Rise of Lyric! WHY WOULD YOU TAKE A BOSS FROM THE WORST SONIC GAME AT THE TIME AND USE IT FOR THE FINAL BOSS?!
166.BITCH HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW YOU WERE GOING TO DESTROY THE PLATFORMS?
167.Death Egg Robot Shuts off, ominous red glowing thing breaks glass chamber holding the Ruby. Now, I wasn’t the only one expecting Infinite, right?
168.OH MY FUCKING GOD, ANOTHER FUCKING NEGA WISP? COULD YOU GUYS DO ANYTHING ORIGINAL?
169.Classic returns home, and Sonic says to Tails: “I’m sure we’ll run into him again.” And the entire Sonic fanbase collectively yelled: “NO!”
170.Not Really related to Forces, but according to Sonic Mania Adventures, Classic Sonic had a Chaos Emerald the entire time he was in Forces. One: What the fuck. Two: Weren’t all of the emeralds repelled by the Ruby when it opened the portal in Egg Reverie?
171.Thanks for the inspirational speech, Sonic. Unfortunately, we’re too deep in now.
172.Eggman Empire: 0.01%. Look, at this point I’m not even surprised Eggman survived that. And if he didn’t, HEYYY INFINITE!...What, a girl can dream, can’t she?
173.Another speech by Tails.
174.Sonic just leaves and has his friends clean up the mess, as usual.
175.And with that, the avatar, the best part of the game, is presumably gone forever! VICTORY MUSIC!
Missions/Bonus+Extra Stages: 1.Literally fuck Fire Cannon 2.
2.Reverse block isn’t playable as Super Sonic for some reason.
3.These timed missions are bullshit.
4.I was going to complain about the lack of Classic Bonus stages, but I think we’re better off without that.
5.Why the fuck do we have number rings and silver moon rings? They don’t do anything!!
DLC: 1.(1 and 2 are from before Super Sonic was made free) “All DLC will be free!”, they said. HA, JUST KIDDING, THE PREQUEL DLC AND MEME SHIRTS ARE FREE BUT SUPER SONIC WILL COST 2 BUCKS. (Glad they made it free.)
2.Super Sonic will cost money despite being an essential, free part of the series since 1992. Pathetic.( Again, Glad they changed it.)
3.SEGA bothered to model Infinite/Zero but like, barely anything aside from his muzzle. Because that and his body is all we see.
4.Sanic shirts. Okay, it’s funny-ish, but...why??
5.Super Sonic is unlockable from the very beginning of the game. Ugh.
6.Super Sonic is only playable in one boss fight because the stage itself isn’t listed as a ‘VS’ stage. (The Stage being Red Gate Bridge/Metal Sonic) And 50 rings are still obtainable in every boss except the Egg Dragoon, so ..
7.There’s still one more unannounced DLC that’s been updated a few weeks ago.
Merchandising/Product Placement: 1.So much of this game was product placement. Hooters, Parkour Academy, Comics, ect.
Development: 1.A bit of false advertising. (Episode Shadow told us we’d discover ‘the fate of Team Dark’ but nothing bad happened to any of them except for Omega, who comes back with no explanation near the end of the game.)
2.The truckloads of unused content that could’ve at least given this game some replayability.
3.The fact that the Phantom Ruby was never intended to be the gem from Mania and had it’s name changed halfway through development to tie Mania and Forces together. At least they have semi-similar abilities.
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